Simple question?

Actually, it would be rather sad that such a mega-religion had started on one of the saddest lies about pregnancy. But that's probably what happened. Mary lied.

Quote: rxwine

If we had Jesus around, the first thing I would do is get some tissue or blood samples.

*wink here

Naw, I'd want a stool sample. Make
sure that a gods poopy no stinky.
That would be proof enough for me.

Quote: Nareed

And it's not prejudice to say the white couple can provide something that the black or Hispanic couple cannot. So an agency excluding black and Hispanic couples is acting in the best interests of the child, right?

Skin color is well...skin deep. Saying that your skin color makes a huge difference in what you are able to do or who you are is prejudice. However, saying that if you are male or female makes a difference in what you are able to do or who are is truth. It's not that women are better than men or anything like that. It is the simple fact that men and women are different in more ways than the obvious. This is why it is offensive to compare skin color to gender. Skin color is not all that important, or at least it shouldn't be. Gender is very important to who we are.

Quote: FrGamble

Skin color is not all that important, or at least it shouldn't be. Gender is very important to who we are.

Okay, just being born within a normal range is important then.

And generally the ideal is treat everyone from the elephant man to someone whose ears stick out much like normal people, and we treat a whole bunch of people with known mental disorders as normal as possible. And if they can be treated we treat, but if someone doesn't want to change we don't force people to undergo transformative surgery or psychiatric treatment if they aren't dangerous or harmful.

It's unethical!

Except for of course the unacceptable sexual preference. If sexual desire was truly a preference there would be a lot more people swapping male and female partners, because there would be no preference over one sex or the other. It would be no more than I'll have an apple today and a orange tomorrow. But you know you're cruelly placing some people under particular pressure for your harmful doctrine.

I really don't know what you are saying or why you are saying it. Can you make yourself more clear?

Quote: FrGamble

I really don't know what you are saying or why you are saying it. Can you make yourself more clear?

You're saying skin color is not an important trait to who you actually are.

But, lot's of people are born with much more significant differences than the human norm. See above.

What we don't do is force them to do anything they don't want to do. If someone doesn't want a medical or psychiatric treatment to become more like the so-called "normal" person, we don't force them to do anything even if we have a treatment. Two mentally challenged people can marry each other, for instance. Two dwarfs. You can marry someone born without arms or legs.

For some reason, sexual desire is treated differently when it's different than normal. You ostracize it with your anti-marriage and no gay sex request and requirement than letting these different people be happy and do something that doesn't bother them. At a minimum you are shaming them.

Also, I want to keep putting "normal" in quotes when I talk to you because I don't want to be associated with this "normal" that punishes a different sexual desire.

I think what bothers me in particular, is supposedly you're doing it from a position that is otherwise suppose to be revered for morality, and love, and supposedly good things. But you've adopted a trait of some of the worse bigotry in this particular respect.

Quote: rxwine

Also, I want to keep putting "normal" in quotes when I talk to you because I don't want to be associated with this "normal" that punishes a different sexual desire.

Maybe you should use the word healthy instead of "normal". People who don't see themselves as sick don't feel like they need to or should need some type of help. I agree that all the people you mentioned, including those with a same-sex attraction, are healthy. They don't need me, you, or anyone else to change them, fix them, or make them "normal", whatever that means. They may be different but they are still healthy, fine, and equal to anyone else.

...and maybe the other thing I'm trying to get you to see is how many "abnormal" people you already give a pass to.

Yes, I've heard that church has not married people who cannot perform functionally, but I'm almost sure the range of people with abnormalities you've given a pass to, you are completely blind to.

What's the range of people the Catholic Church allows to marry even though they may have some significant abnormality?

I'm kind of sickened as using normal and abnormal, because I just view gays as another variation -- but I don't think you will get the point any other way.