the death of coal?
September 24th, 2020 at 5:53:10 PM permalink | |
kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4493 |
I will take the bait. The real reason I support carbon fuels because the increased winds that some claim it produces will be good for the windmills. Human ingenuity at work. We can get independent proof for the article from our current traveler when he gets to California and he confirms the natural gas generators that are built at the wind power sites to back the them up when the wind isn't blowing. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
September 24th, 2020 at 7:48:20 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | https://stopthesethings.com/2014/08/16/how-much-co2-gets-emitted-to-build-a-wind-turbine/ What a great resource for those that question alternative energy generation methods. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
September 24th, 2020 at 9:00:47 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 |
Do the economics work? If so, its gonna grow. Its pretty big here in OK As to co2 Price of progress But As tech improves, there will be cheaper more unique methods taking advantage of the wind. Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
September 24th, 2020 at 9:12:43 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18756 | That which is impossible.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13556-10-impossibilities-conquered-by-science/#ixzz6Z1WZtA4i You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
September 24th, 2020 at 9:19:28 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | How much co2 gets emitted to build a fossil fuel power plant, or an oil refinery? That's more of a rhetorical question. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
September 25th, 2020 at 6:57:06 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Important statistic. https://www.canstarblue.com.au/electricity/electricity-costs-kwh/ South Australians (fifth largest state by population with a total of 1.76 million people), pay an average of 36.223 AUD cents per kWh (25.47 USD cents per KWh) Victoria (the state in the previous article) with a population of 6.689 million and the city of Melbourne has an average electricity rate of 24.205 AUD cents per kWh (17.02 USD cents per kWh) . New South Wales with 1/3 of the population of the country is similar rate as Victoria. You see comparable articles about US states that get most of their electricity from coal, but whose future power plant fuel being dictated by politicians who despise coal. Hawaii 29.03 ------------------------------------------- South Australia 25.47 USD cents per kWh Alaska 23.85 Connecticut 21.73 Massachusetts 21.01 California 19.79 Vermont 19.67 Rhode Island 19.28 New York 19.11 New Hampshire 19.00 ------------------------------------------- New South Wales, Australia 18.56 USD cents per kWh ------------------------------------------- Victoria, Australia 17.02 USD cents per kWh Maine 16.91 .... U.S. average of 13.28 cents per kilowatt hour. .... Louisiana 9.50 |
October 26th, 2020 at 12:29:43 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Largest coal fired plants in the USA (by Megawatts) from ~2,400MW or higher
In comparison, one of the biggest oil producing countries in the world, the UAE, is spending $3.4 to build a brand new 2,400 MW plant to burn imported coal. Hassyan Clean Coal Project, Dubai The Hassyan clean coal power station (initially 2,400MW )is an ultra-supercritical (USC) power plant being developed in Saih Shuaib, Dubai, United Arab Emirates. The plant could easily be expanded at a later date. The project supports the Dubai Clean Energy Strategy 2050, which aims to produce 25% of energy from solar power, 7% from nuclear power, 7% from clean coal, and the remaining 61% from gas by 2030. Just goes to show you that every country wants a little diversity in their energy sources to cover all kinds of political or natural scenarios. Image of plant location shows the efforts needed to easily import coal. |
January 21st, 2021 at 10:20:01 AM permalink | |
reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 | Back during the 2016 campaign, Mr Trump promised to “put the miners back to work” and “get those mines open.” Despite his best efforts, he wasn't able to save the coal industry. |
July 2nd, 2021 at 8:56:34 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18756 | You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
July 9th, 2021 at 9:58:23 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Renewables are not the major beneficiary of the death of coal, it looks like natural gas is mostly taking over that position, even in California. Natural gas is also a fossil fuel. It may produce 40% of the carbon dioxide as coal, but it is now 40% more in use than coal. And where do we get natural gas? Of course, we get it from hydraulic fracking. Roughly 25% of the population of the United States gets their electricity from the Western Interconnection. The 7 high voltage direct current ties between the western and eastern interconnections were mostly built mostly before the year 2000 and can only pass 0.1% of the electricity generated by the Eastern and Western. Only three power plants in the Western Interconnection are nuclear. Energy strategists feel that stronger ties should be built. That way the west can bail out the east if they have problems with snowstorms (for instance) or the east can bail out the west if they have a particularly hot spell. Some people are worried that California is going to get into a massive electricity shortfall as they already consume far more electricity than they make and rely on the hydraulic generation from the Pacific Northwest, plants in Mexico, and the nuclear power plant in Arizona. If they add over 10 million EVs, their demand will only increase.demand. |