God and Gay Marriage
July 2nd, 2015 at 6:34:50 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Any references to segregation in regards to the issue of same sex "marriage" is racist. Racism claims that there is a fundamental difference between white and black people - THERE IS NOT. Nor is there a fundamental difference between homosexuals or heterosexuals. There is a fundamental difference between men and women. This point is essential to understand and I think I have only heard Nareed recognize this truth. It is not prejudice or racism to treat different things differently or especially to name them by different words. If I go to the coffee shop and ask for a bagel and they give me a donut it is not the same. If I complain and they say, look man they are basically the same I am still going to want my bagel. By saying my argument is a Catholic version of segregation is to say that gender either means nothing or that the color of your skin means a lot more than it does. So stop the craziness. It is so simple that I don't understand why people don't get it. Wait, I do and I can understand it. Homosexuals want to use the same word "marriage" because they want to be accepted for who they are exactly like any heterosexual couple. I sympathize with that, I really do. However, what about gay pride and recognizing that while equal to everyone else your loving and committed relationship is different. Now I am accused of not explaining why this relationship is different. It is different because men and women are different. I think this is clear without going into how these different couples may or may not express their love sexually, if they can reproduce or not, the complementarity of the sexes, etc., etc. Finally, Nareed I agree with you that our rights are inherent to us as human beings. However, not to get off track here but I'm surprised your argument for them amounts to they are there and that is it. What grounds those rights of every human person. You are right to think they are NOT given to us by government or some worldly authority. History shows us how messed up that idea is. However, they can't just arrive by magic. You need something to anchor those rights so that they cannot be manipulated or doubted. The true and only ground of our human rights is God. Without God you cannot just claim we have this awesome and sacrosanct rights without being challenged as to why and how they come about. Just another example of the chaos and confusion that comes when we remove God from our lives and society. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
July 2nd, 2015 at 6:56:14 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18807 |
Well gays are the people who wanted a donut, but people want them to eat the bagel because 90% of others want bagels. (for purposes of example only) But you don't always need the exact right tool to accomplish something. It's just more convenient. Organs are tools. The brain is the source. I think it's needlessly moralistic to judge sexual preference. It's like judging people who are hungry or sleepy. There's only more to it if you can find real harm. For instance the compulsion to kill. You have to stop someone like that, even if they are compelled, but as far as judging gays, I don't see where it comes into play. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
July 2nd, 2015 at 7:09:01 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18807 | Let God curse the left handers as well for not being born in the majority. It's as simple as that.
- See more at: http://www.anythinglefthanded.co.uk/being-lh/children/teaching/forced-change.html#sthash.mXa4TlTk.dpuf You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
July 2nd, 2015 at 7:10:57 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
No NO NO! You do not get it. They want to be treated as any other HUMAN couple. You're the one that wants it broken down into categories for your own political ends.
So people over 50 can't marry in your church? The woman can no longer have kids.
Seriously? God is the one screwing up everything. Belief in your imaginary daddy is at the base of all the worlds problems. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 2nd, 2015 at 7:16:38 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
It doesn't to a logical person. It only occurs to the religious zealots among us in the world. But logic will win eventually, because it exists and god does not. Ignorance always loses in the end. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 2nd, 2015 at 7:21:35 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What am I saying that is not treating anyone as any other HUMAN?!? I call you Bob but I try to treat you like Mary, even though I admit it is hard at times.
Sure they can, you don't have to be over 50 to not be able to have kids. You do have to be a combo of man and woman to have the natural opportunity to.
The foundation of all the world's problems is our attempt to play God. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
July 2nd, 2015 at 7:25:27 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Yet you admit that an impotent man cannot marry in the Church. What the heck is the difference, neither he nor a woman over 50 can have kids. Yet you discriminate against the man. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 2nd, 2015 at 7:28:55 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Of course the Church is not treating marriage as between two humans. Are you joking? They break humans down into sub categories, just like racists do. These categories can get married, this other combination cannot. What do you call that but discrimination. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 2nd, 2015 at 7:33:34 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Welcome to reality my friend. You are a male and you have a unique name. You are different than me but equal. When do we not break things into sub-categories? Everything around you is named differently because it is different and it helps us understand the world around us. Some of those things are substantially different and such as cockroaches and human beings and are treated as such. Other things are different like men and women and are treated equally with respect and dignity. You are grasping at straws and just calling names, which is trying to break me down into a sub category. You are discriminating against me instead of engaging in solid debate, stop it. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
July 2nd, 2015 at 8:09:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
When we talk about equal rights, that's when. Equal rights for all humans. Not for some but not others. That's how god does things in religion, he does have his favorites. In the world, it's called discrimination. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |