Science and God

Quote: Nareed

But I'm more interested in this: On one hand, you claim your gods are not Santa Claus or genies of the lamp who grant wishes, on the other you claim any unexplained improvement in anyone's medical condition is a miracle of the imaginary trio.

Which is it?

First of all an unexplained improvement in anyone's medical condition is not always a miracle. In fact to be determined a miracle there is lots of investigation that needs to be done. There are as you mentioned before many cases that are not explainable and also for various reasons not determined a miracle that just seem to happen.

Also the key point in all of this is that God wants more than anything to be a friend, to be in a loving relationship with us. If people only want a miracle but do not want a real relationship then this is not what the Lord desires. Ultimately the greatest miracle and perfect healing will take place in the midst of forming this loving connection to the God of the universe.

Quote: FrGamble

Also the key point in all of this is that God wants more than anything to be a friend, to be in a loving relationship with us. If people only want a miracle but do not want a real relationship then this is not what the Lord desires.

So the Christian gods don't grant wishes, but they do miracle cures?

Quote: FrGamble

who believe that the light and truth of science can't co-exist with the reality of the supernatural.

Once again, can you give provable
examples that the supernatural
even exists? The Amazing Randi
offered a million dollars for decades
to anybody who could, and he still
has his money.

Quote: Nareed

So the Christian gods don't grant wishes, but they do miracle cures?

Ignoring your dig on polytheism, yes, I guess you can look at it that way. God doesn't want to be used as some kind of divine vending machine. Rather He is a loving friend, which is the most awesome and miraculous of things.

Quote: FrGamble

God doesn't want to be used as some kind of divine vending machine. .

Good grief but I'm weary of this horsecrap.
You have a god and you claim to know
his mind? Are you fricking kidding me?
You and your fanciful god are one and
the same, that hasn't dawned on you yet?

Look in the mirror and introduce yourselves.
Thick as thieves you are. Watch the movie
Fight Club, and you'll get a clue.

Quote: FrGamble

Ignoring your dig on polytheism,

It's your religion that imposes three deities.

So, what does it take for a divine cure? How about a murderer or rapist whose cancer "miraculously" remits? Why would your gods treat that, but not the sweet, innocent 10-year old child with leukemia? And do they also engage in divine infection? That is, would they "miraculously" bestow, say, heart disease on someone who doesn't smoke, eats right and works out regularly?

People don't talk often enough about such miraculous deaths, but they happen sometimes.

One God in three persons.

What does it take for a divine cure? Divine action would be my guess. I don't believe in divine infection as you call it. I've never heard of a rapist receiving a divine or mircalous cure, have you?

Evenbob, anything I mention as if I know God's desires is only because He has revealed it in Scripture. This Sxriptual truth has of course been reconfirmed many times in my own faith experience. I find it continually strange that a self professed hedonist who thinks he creates his own meaning for life finds it strange that someone might know and love God intimately. After all you have made yourself a god in your own eyes and you I think know yourself.

Quote: FrGamble

One God in three persons.

3 persons = 3 gods

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I don't believe in divine infection as you call it.

If a person with cancer suddenly gets better, you deem it a miracle. Then if a healthy person suddenly drops dead, shouldn't you deem that a miracle, too?

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I've never heard of a rapist receiving a divine or mircalous cure, have you?

Do you recall how speedily Pinochet and that Libyan terrorist recovered? Castro is proving as adept at staying alive as he was at staying in power.

Funny gods you worship.

Quote: FrGamble

who thinks he creates his own meaning for life .

You do the same, you just blame it on a
god you create. Everybody creates their
own reality, it's just that some, like you,
use props like the Bible to do it. There
is no force outside of yourself. An atheist
realizes this and goes about his life
unhindered by the difficulties religion
creates.

Quote: Nareed

3 persons = 3 gods

The basics here about what Christians believe would be important for you to know. 3 persons who make up one God. Think of the union of a husband and a wife who become one family.

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If a person with cancer suddenly gets better, you deem it a miracle. Then if a healthy person suddenly drops dead, shouldn't you deem that a miracle, too?

The problem is that not everyone who unexpectedly gets better is a miracle. I think you read the article about how much goes into determining if this is a true miracle.