Was Jesus God?
December 1st, 2015 at 9:13:08 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
When something splits you can still see where the main trunk is.
Well let's see...same structure with the successor of St. Peter directly traced back to the Christ Himself, bishops, priests, deacons, the laity. The major teachings about the Eucharist, the Trinity, Incarnation is the same from Apostles. The Apostles' Creed and Nicene Creed is still said every Sunday. The clothes have changed and the architecture is a little different sometimes. There have been awful scandalous Bishops, which was the same from the original 12. The biggest problem was the connection of Church and State, but that has been mercifully restored to the original plan and the current successor of Peter wishes to even further return us to the poor, humble, servant Church that was when we were most powerful. So exactly is a strong word, but the Church is much, much more the same than say any country was 2,000 years ago. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 1st, 2015 at 11:15:51 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
They all have the same god, Yahweh. The details are irrelevant. They pray to the same god, that's all we need to know. God hasn't changed, according to you, the god of Moses is the god of the three major religions. It's fascinating because there is no god, that's why things have run amok. But that bothers none of you, you just soldier on, pretending Yahweh listens to all of you and considers all your prayers. Madness.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 2nd, 2015 at 6:48:46 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I did not miss your love affair with the non-sequitur. How much official power does the Pope have over the Italian kings these days? Oh, and how many Mormon and Protestant sects were active in, oh, 475 CE? Ten? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
December 2nd, 2015 at 6:51:28 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
It seems to me an omniscient, all-powerful god would not keep issuing corrections after his final word. He would not keep issuing holy books like hot cakes, either. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
December 2nd, 2015 at 7:26:33 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
How do you square that with a threat of eternal torture if you disobey this "loving" deity or even disagree with him? What about those who follow this deity and gleefully tell others they'll be tortured by their loving god for all eternity? It seems to me they are like their god. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
December 2nd, 2015 at 7:54:06 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
This describes my dog perfectly. He does all these things daily, and I can actually see him and touch him. He even answers my prayers at times, and has never threatened me in any way. Is he a god? He's certainly better behaved than your god, with just as much to offer. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 2nd, 2015 at 8:17:16 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
The point was that a big split does not necessarily change the nature of that from which it split off of.
As I mentioned in my post we have mercifully returned to the original state of the Church as leaven in the midst of society and not ruling or having State powers.
Absolutely zero. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 2nd, 2015 at 8:20:48 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
His final word is the Word made flesh, Jesus Christ. God is infinitely patient in correcting our errors and slowly teaching us moving us ever more closer to the fulfillment of Revelation in Jesus. I don't know what you mean about issuing holy books like hot cakes. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 2nd, 2015 at 8:26:44 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Neither disobeying or disagreeing with God will send you to eternal torture. You need to understand the Mercy of God and this coming year will be a special year of Mercy to experience it. There are so many things that go into what we would call mortal sin that in the words of Pope Francis, "Who am I to judge?" All I can say is that God does not send anyone to hell that does not choose to go there and I can also say that it is God's will that all will be saved. If we were more like our God we would tell you, as I do, that you are loved and that God wants your happiness here on earth and eternally with Him. Like Evenbob, it seems like your view of Christianity is hopelessly tainted by Christians who do not follow the teachings of the Church or the life of our Lord. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 2nd, 2015 at 10:37:19 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
You cannot claim Nicaea, a state-directed council, and claim the original state of the church does not involve state powers. Come, Ambrose had none other than Theodosius on a tight leash. Surely the Pope controls some leader of some super power today. Keeping things homeostasis and all.
How many Monophisites, Arians, Nestorians, et cetera? Ten? Whitewashing history is a common practice. Why would any human institution eschew it? It would be inhuman. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |