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"Cult of Mary"
| March 21st, 2015 at 4:13:03 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
If she's not divine, don't refer to her as divine, as in 'divine mother'. This makes it sound like she is equal to god and Jesus as I'm was it's intent. You have yet to explain why she is called divine when she is not. It's no accident Mary is the number one personage prayed to and Jesus is 4th. People think she's equal to or even above Jesus. Why is Mary referred to as the 'mother of god' when it's not in the Bible? A mortal woman cannot give birth to a god, that makes no sense. She would have to be divine to do that, and she's not. It's a convoluted mess, no wonder they are confused as to her status. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| March 22nd, 2015 at 6:18:48 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
First of all you are blowing way out of proportion this "divine mother" thing. That is a fairly uncommon phrase the most common is by far "blessed mother". Secondly, I think I have explained that we are all divine as children of God made in His image and likeness. The blessed mother is no more God than you or I. She is however the perfect example of what it means to be a human being.
I still think this so called "stat" is BS but when you think about it a little bit it makes some sense. We naturally turn to our mother when we need something. We feel comfortable with her. Mary is like our loving mother and we ask her to intercede for us to our Heavenly Father.
Jesus is God, Mary is His mother, therefore Mary is Mother of God incarnate. Pretty simple really. To give birth to the incarnate Son of God you would not have to be divine, just a perfect vessel. See the teaching of the Immaculate Conception. It really again is pretty simple and it all perfectly fits together. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| March 22nd, 2015 at 7:01:00 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Yes, when you have a huge sledge hammer and pound all the square pegs that don't fit into the round holes. The more you explain it, the less sense it makes. She's divine but she's not. She's prayed to not because people think she's divine, but because people think of her as 'mom'. She can give birth to a god because being a virgin makes her perfect. Of course you back none of this up because Mary is barely mentioned in the Bible, this person who get's prayed to 4 to 1 over Jesus. The more you explain it, the more obvious it becomes that the Church is indeed the Cult of Mary. Which is why in a Protestant church she gets mentioned a few times a year, because that's about how important she really is to the Jesus myth. Mark and John thought the virgin birth to be so unimportant they never even write about it. Yet the Church makes it their cornerstone. Suspend your disbelief, ye who pass through these doors. Surrender all logic and rationality. And ignore the man behind the curtain. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| March 22nd, 2015 at 8:12:46 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Isn't that a good description of all of us? This helps us explain how we can be so wonderful, but then at the next moment be so bad. Why we do such amazing things and also destroy such beautiful things. The key to understanding ourselves is to see the divine in us and at the same time realize we are not God. To see our potential and at the same time recognize our weaknesses. To be divine and not. There is no better way to understand the human person. If you have a better one I would be glad to hear it.
Exactly, as the Gospel of John relates Jesus gave His mother to us as disciples in a special way, "Behold your mother" he says from on the cross. I don't know why it is so hard to understand people loving their mom.
Be careful about saying things I never did. Her being a virgin does not make her perfect, it is her lack of sin that makes her perfect and able to give birth to the incarnate God.
Mary is mentioned throughout the Gospels and the early followers of Jesus held her in greatest esteem, which logically makes sense being the mother of their savior and all. If you think about this a little bit I have confidence you will recognize it makes perfect sense.
Can you back this up and explain why you would think this? Honoring Jesus' mother for her special role is not making her or the virgin birth the cornerstone of the Church. Jesus is the cornerstone and everything hinges upon Him; our Savior and God. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| March 22nd, 2015 at 11:02:52 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
There is no god, so there is no divine in any of us. You see what you want to see. I was reading the other day that's it's human nature to defend our beliefs no matter how ridiculous they are, even if it means going out on a cliff to do so. I don't have to defend atheism because it involves no belief system. If I was a Christian I would keep my mouth shut about it, for obvious reasons. The unexplainable is better kept to oneself. *you have still yet to explain why she is called divine, other than to say we're are all divine. Yet the congregation is never referred to that way and Mary is. They called her divine mother so people would think she was divine, even when she was not. These are uneducated people, what did they know. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| March 22nd, 2015 at 11:23:21 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Somehow the Tudor era historians seem to have influenced history books to the present day. The Spanish Inquisition was probably not any more horrible than many other contemporary political movements. But the SI did go on for a long time. Manuel Santiago Vivar, tried in Córdoba in 1818, was the last person tried for being a crypto-Jew. |
| March 22nd, 2015 at 11:36:13 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
We know exactly how horrible it was, the Spanish priests took exact notes of every proceeding and every torture. They thought it to be important work of god they were doing. The more the tortured screamed, the more the priests would dance around screaming out Hail Mary's and Bless the Lord's. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| March 23rd, 2015 at 7:23:32 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Dear Evenbob, I'm sad to say that this post has revealed to me a disturbing thought. Your mind is far too prejudiced and distorted regarding the Catholic Church to have any meaningful discussion with you, especially about history. I'm truly sorry that you seem unable to listen to reason or other thoughts about these matters. This attitude perpetuates falsities and hatred and I don't see how I can participate in these discussions with you further. I do trust that truth will out in you and in all things. With respect and concern, I am. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| March 23rd, 2015 at 8:43:51 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
There's horrible. Then there's repressive and unfair in addition. One thing I'm very happy about, is that I can criticize the Catholic church, and Christianity overall, without fear of being tortured or killed. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| March 23rd, 2015 at 9:29:54 AM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
I'm surprised you lasted this long with him. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |