Confessional
May 22nd, 2016 at 12:30:44 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
Like when they took quotes from the Bible and presented them as quotes from the Koran and presented them to people, people had a decidedly negative view of the quotes. (in America) Similarly , if you took the violence god allows and even does himself, I doubt anyone could honestly defend many of them if they were presented as acts of men. At best they would judge the acts like an egomaniac mafia boss who holds charity events at handicapped schools for the press, while gouging out eyes, and putting cement shoes on various people who don't worship him. ( handicapped schools for the press, heh well you know what mean I think : ) You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
May 22nd, 2016 at 6:24:22 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I think it makes sense. However, the jury cannot at the end of the trial determine that the dead body just came out of nowhere and there is no cause. It can only say that it is not convinced that it is God. You see Team Atheist sounds like a jury that is not impartial but is going into the trial with its mind already made up that there is no way that it could be God. Any evidence presented goes through that filter and is rejected. I would ask for a retrial with a jury more open to the evidence and the discussion. The other problem is that I don't think the burden of proof is the same in our debate about faith in God as it is in the courtroom. Beyond a shadow of doubt is not how faith in God or anything works. We live our lives outside of a courtroom making decisions with nary a bit of evidence but based only on our feelings and prior experiences to guide us. In real life and outside of a courtroom we never ask for the same level of evidence that would convict us to say marry our bride or trust that the person who says they are Mr. Smith is indeed Mr. Smith. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 22nd, 2016 at 7:34:34 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
That's fine, you think you see evidence of god and you have faith. But quit expecting those of us who see no evidence to climb on your bandwagon and believe in god just because you do. Because that's what you're always asking, for us to take your faith as evidence. We obviously have a different idea of what evidence is, and your so called evidence doesn't pass muster. It would get thrown out by an impartial jury every time. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 22nd, 2016 at 7:44:53 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What you lack is a theological understanding of these things.
Who is present here but will not be present in Heaven will give you your answer.
The presence of God here is present in veiled ways, for example in the Sacraments. The presence of God in Heaven is immediate and unveiled.
Because of sin.
Because of the need for ultimate justice.
God's creations are not awful at all.
No.
The "Problem of Evil" is a perfectly human response to the question of God and a healthy one too. The idea that there is a greater good possible in the future when our lives or those that we love are going through such difficulties or suffering is hard if not impossible to see when we are going through it. The gift of free will often feels like a curse that we at times beg God to take back from us and from others. This is not logical or reasonable but at certain times no amount of logic will warm our hearts or sooth us when the realities of life are too uncomfortable or painful. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 22nd, 2016 at 7:48:35 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
For goodness sake, or more appropriately for God's sake, don't believe just because I do. And certainly don't believe if you don't think there is no evidence to support your belief. All I ask is that you keep an open mind and as a jury just decide that FrGamble is a bad lawyer and did not prove his point. That doesn't mean that there is no God. God is much, much, much, much, better representing Himself - as the history of the Church bears witness to. Instead of me, listen to God who is already speaking in your heart and in your mind and then when you have some evidence whether it is physical or experiential then come to believe. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 22nd, 2016 at 7:51:29 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Give it a break. In a time of such violence and evil a God who loved an enslaved people and set them free by eventually doing violence to their enslavers after repeated efforts at diplomacy had failed is not something that is indefensible, certainly not then and even not today. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 22nd, 2016 at 8:13:10 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
You might as well be traveling on one of those old timey horse drawn wagons and selling "magic" elixirs. You have a more organized crew, but it's just the same otherwise. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
May 22nd, 2016 at 8:22:19 PM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | After all this discussion about people believing the most absurd things, I've just learned that in one of the wealthiest and well-educated nations, Iceland, about fifty percent of the people claim to believe in "the Hidden People" (elves). After all, perhaps we should remember that most astronauts join the flat earth society... of course its a joke "membership". |
May 22nd, 2016 at 8:51:23 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Free will is a concept that doesn't exist in reality. It's an illusion. We run on auto pilot for 99% of the decisions we make in life, free will never enters into it. You yourself are a perfect example. You were raised in the Catholic religion. You are about as close to making a rational decision about it as my dog is in tuning down a beef bone. He has to take it, he has no choice. You have to believe in the Christian god, you have zero choice in the matter. This subject has been written about exhaustively for a hundred years. We're robots, slaves to our genes and our upbringing. Free will is a myth. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 22nd, 2016 at 8:59:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
The Catholic church? The Church that started the Crusades and the Inquisitions? That sanctioned witch hunts and executions? The Church that 'punished' vile pedophiles by transferring them to another diocese and sweeping the matter under the rug? That's your god representing himself? If that god is speaking in your heart, you have major problems, my friend. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |