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Gay Marriage
| August 30th, 2014 at 6:29:34 AM permalink | |
| RonC Member since: Nov 7, 2012 Threads: 8 Posts: 2510 |
That is the same thing I've heard about this issue from a gay relative. His position is that he wants the rights to handle issues for his partner that are normally handled with a spouse--medical stuff, retirement, etc. and not the right to marry. He's not against it, either...just not putting much effort in one way or the other. When we get twenty years down the road and gay divorces lead to splitting pensions and such, then they will have moved towards the part of equality they probably won't like as much!! |
| August 30th, 2014 at 7:34:17 AM permalink | |
| chickenman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 0 Posts: 368 | +1 PM Axel, I think he reverse engineered Bob's no-fail Roulette system :-) He's everywhere, he's everywhere...! |
| August 30th, 2014 at 7:35:12 AM permalink | |
| chickenman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 0 Posts: 368 | Hahaha He's everywhere, he's everywhere...! |
| August 30th, 2014 at 11:50:24 AM permalink | |
| scotty71 Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1 Posts: 28 | I dont know how to feel about gay/ same sex marriage. Ultimately It's a social issue and a topic used by both political parties to keep the publics eye away from the real fiscal and diplomacy issues we face as a nation. Legal mechanisms exist to give same sex partners some of the rights they want/need (medical & financial power of attorney) that are a given if you are married in a traditional since. If this was our nations biggest issue it would be a high quality problem to say the least. Of the 4 gay couples I know (one being my mother actually) only 1 couple is adamant about the fact that gay marriage should exist. I think ultimately it should be allowed, I guess, as I haven't heard a really good argument against it. To that point I wish marriage licenses and divorces as a whole were much harder to come by.... too little thought goes into building a life together it seems. |
| August 30th, 2014 at 4:54:39 PM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Mar 25, 2013 Threads: 5 Posts: 732 | You know how I feel about gay marriage. My daughter's gay. So is Cheney's. You get a different perspective when it close to you in life. And I am Christian too, so that puts me at odds between my church and my daughter. But my daughter is quite capable of having the same exact sexual feelings, romantic feelings, and so on and so forth, to one person who happens to have the same type of genitalia that she has. From my perspective, I want the government to recognize her union to someone else. I don't want my church to recognize the same marriage, however. I don't see being gay as a psychological disorder -- I know plenty of gay people who are far more sane than I am. From a government perspective, I support the idea of a union which gives someone a designated right, over anyone else, to receive benefits. That is, for example, survivor benefits, medical benefits, tax benefits (married filing jointly), and other benefits that only marriage between one man and one woman provides. The idea is that you designate each other to be the sole benificiary of those benefits. This takes care of the polygamy argument because it is more than one person, and the government (or anyone) does not have a valid pecking order to apply. Furthermore, clearly, in a high percentage of cases, polygamy has been shown to be extremely harmful to spouses and their children. That's why the government outlaws that. Show evidence that it is absolutely unharmful and maybe I'll be swayed. Children of gay marriage, it seems do not suffer adverse affects, except possibly a greater degree of tolerance and anti-christianity, but there are no greater cases of abuse or violence it seems in this family. Please show me a valid study that states otherwise. |
| August 30th, 2014 at 5:38:59 PM permalink | |
| Beethoven Member since: Apr 27, 2014 Threads: 18 Posts: 640 | There are many Muslims in the world who would dispute such a sweeping statement. Who are you to deny these Muslims equal rights????? All they want are the same rights YOU already have. Boron Boron Boron rhymes with moron, moron, moron |
| August 30th, 2014 at 11:42:53 PM permalink | |
| scotty71 Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1 Posts: 28 | Now I'm reading your posts so I can understand how you think about things since i was so ignorant to the fact....
list the ridiculous arguments ____________ & ________________& ____________________ &________________________ &____________________
examples of libs changing definitions of words. is it the "term" marriage you object to or the rights granted under the term...you haven't said yet?
They won't they'll just think he's pathetic most likely married to his hand
what side, I thought you were an independent thinker? And you haven't made a single argument or stated What you are even arguing about at this point and again no evidence to support your argument.
Did you take that poll at amongst gays (no pun intended) what do the other 10% say But Finally you're getting to the point that you are against gay marriage... it took you at least 5 posts to get to your point but you had to shroud it as if it was an intellectual endeavor and an exercise in absurd unintended consequences
Why is it funny, because they got divorced... do you advocate counseling before marriage... I do. Maybe thats a starting point for all marriages. You were trying to be coy and you blew it off later that.... "now they can stuffer the financial and emotional hardships of divorce" still not an argument against gays being married when over 40% of traditional marriages result in divorce
You can support traditional marriage without denying "untraditional marriages" cant you? or is that too many things going at once. Maybe he confused the "WE" you with a 7th street baptist church guy or maybe he was talking about these guys http://americansfortruth.com/2010/07/27/homosexual-hate-group-to-protest-truth-academy/ you dont belong to their group (AFTAH do you.. not all gays want to marry. Are you against gays or just gay marriage? These guys were crying that homosexuals were protesting their truth academy, sniff sniff Sounds like if you dont agree with them you are a Marxist, are you a marxist or do you agree with them? Its a simple yes no answer.
He probably wasn't he was probably sad that you cant present just state an opinion because you knows that tolerance and love is part of christianity and it scares you when you look in the mirror that G_D might be ashamed of you. notice I said might...relationships with G_D are personal.
Trust me on this, the conservative movement doesn't want you speaking for them. Your opinions as I'll show are cloaked that you cost them votes...trust me on the fact that you should keep your "movement" will split conservative votes and keep "libs' as you like to say in office forever. |
| August 31st, 2014 at 12:03:06 AM permalink | |
| scotty71 Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1 Posts: 28 | Back to learning more about your strong social argument about the dangers and consequences of gay marriage.
It is pretty common knowledge that their is a high level of homophobia in the black community http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/african-americans-the-last-democratic-holdouts-on-gay-marriage-20130501 not sure why it was important, were you making a point about what you think is the liberal bias in the media. YES, the media is biased, the sell advertising and pay close attention to keeping people tuned in. Earth shattering revelation....
Who shot down the gay marriage argument, not you yet? You haven't stated a single reason why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed that I can tell. Do you favor polygamy? Just say it if you do. I dont know as much about it as you seem to know it but I did read "Under the banner of Heaven" and it didn't seem like that polygamist town had much to do with equality or respect at all. It was more about raping girls under the pretense of religion. So I vote no based on that evidence... they weren't as nice as the ones on the TV show. Is there a vocal group of gays that came out against polygamy? How do you know that gay marriage supporters are against it, your pulse on the gay community? sources please Page 20 Now, still no discussion of why you oppose gay marriage but I do agree with this in regards to the media... but they sell ads remember..
BUT NOT THIS
THE PAYOFF FINALLY You could of just done this on page 1. These sound like the dots that got connected after your wife (ex) caught you cruising at gay bars and your pastor sent you to sexual re-orientation camp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy Did it work for you or do you still have urges? come now???
Were you throwing them a bone what rights or sort of rights should they or should they not have... SPECIFICS PLEASE
So gays only want to get married to protect their assets in lawsuits? When my wife and I applied for our marriage license no one questioned whether I was trying to hide assets or reduce my tax liability, that didn't come up whe I had kids either but I bet If I had posted an article saying some couple (traditional) was caught adopting a kid only so they could apply for a deduction you would say that is furthering your point. I didn't have a strong opinion on gay marriage this morning but you swayed me. I know now that you are against gay marriage,think gay people are mentally ill and theres a media bias to trick us into believing that blacks support gay marriages. Why didn't you just post that first? |
| August 31st, 2014 at 1:11:29 AM permalink | |
| Beethoven Member since: Apr 27, 2014 Threads: 18 Posts: 640 | LOL! Just read the posts that I had responded to. The answers are right there. :D Um...yes, I have. Many times, in fact. Many, many, many, many times. Just click on my username. Those posts shouldn't be too hard to find. YOUR side. What side do you think I'm talking about? *facepalm* (And I am an independent thinker, yessiree!) Nope, you just haven't looked hard enough...lol Seriously??? You're the only one here who can't figure out my point about gay marriage. *facepalm* Yep! There's that reading comprehension problem rearing its ugly head again. I never used that as an argument, genius. I was simply laughing at the guy. Not too hard to figure out. *facepalm* Again, please read my posts. I've talked about this at length already. Multiple times. Oh, so you're going back to the mind-reading thing now? I don't know whether to *facepalm* or LOL!! Nah, that's OK. I'll pass. Based on your posts thus far, I don't trust you on anything. lol... Wow, I never knew I was such a powerful guy. Much more powerful than I had ever thought. Guess I'm a kingmaker after all. Thanks for bringing all this to my attention! :) LOL Somehow I doubt you've learned anything from all this. :D Wow, you started that statement off strong with the first few words, but then you fizzled out. *facepalm* Good lord. You've been quoting me this whole time, but after reading the above statement, it's obvious that you can't comprehend anything. *facepalm* See above. *facepalm x2* Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. (wink wink) :D Why don't you just read my posts? No one else has such problems figuring out my position. Or is it that reading comprehension thing again? lol... Boron Boron Boron rhymes with moron, moron, moron |
| August 31st, 2014 at 1:17:45 AM permalink | |
| Beethoven Member since: Apr 27, 2014 Threads: 18 Posts: 640 | FYI, just so you know, you could get suspended for this accusation. The Wizard has spoken specifically about saying/implying that another member is gay, and he has suspended people in the past for doing exactly what you just did. Here are his own words:
Great job! Way to break the Wizard's rules!!! *facepalm* Boron Boron Boron rhymes with moron, moron, moron |