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| July 31st, 2018 at 12:18:51 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Weren't the Koch's at one time big Tea Party supporters? I read somewhere they were supporting open borders, and Bernie is thanking them for their support of a study suggesting single payer would be cheaper. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/07/31/bernie-sanders-thanks-koch-brothers-accidentally-making-case-medicare-all The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| July 31st, 2018 at 2:47:16 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | Manafort trial today. He didn't flip, he knows nothing to flip with. Mueller has ordered the prosecutors and the witnesses for the prosecution to never mention Trump's name in any way. lol! They have nothing on Trump, and are terrified the judge will throw the trial out if it looks like there is even the slightest hint they are trying to sway the jury with Trump's name. They can't stop the defense from mentioning Trump though, and it's driving Mueller nuts. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| July 31st, 2018 at 2:59:29 PM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11807 | Not looking good for Manafort http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/399653-paul-manafort-gambles-against-all-odds-at-trial Manafort is in the worst possible legal position of having to “run the tables” by not only beating 18 counts in Virginia but then beating seven counts in a separate trial in Washington. He needs a sweep or nothing. That is quite a gamble and, frankly, Manafort is a bad bet. While he needs to beat all the charges, special counsel Robert Mueller needs only one conviction on one count to put Manafort away for as much as a decade. That is what it means to “play the house.” The house usually wins. Right now, Las Vegas would give Manafort about the same odds of acquittal as it would give the Baltimore Orioles to win the World Series. Indeed, the one thing the Orioles, ranked worst in the MLB, have going for them is that people actually want them to win. That is not the case with Manafort, and that lack of empathy is likely to grow considerably in coming weeks with the expected witnesses at his trial. Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| July 31st, 2018 at 3:06:52 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Who gives a rip. If he did the stuff he's accused of, oh well. You play that game you take your chances. I know a lawyer who did 2 years in a fed pen for 1/100th of what Manafort is accused of. Mueller's problem is Manafort knows nothing about Trump he could make a deal with. If he did, the deal would have happened before jury selection. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| July 31st, 2018 at 6:55:18 PM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Mueller is prosecuting Manafort now, for actual crimes, not Trump. So, Manafort not giving evidence of Trump crimes during Manafort's trial, is irrelevant, and the other investigations are continuing. But if we are going to go headlong into Fantasyland, try this - Manafort says nothing about Trump, to either get immunity or reduced charges, because Trump has already promised Manafort a pardon for whatever he is convicted of. If evidence of that hypothetical promise comes out, big trouble. It would be even more fun if Manafort already told Mueller, and this trial is all one big sting to get Trump to pardon him, thus obstructing justice by promising said pardon for specific testemony, or lack there of. As crazy as that sounds, the way things are now I think there is more than a zero chance that some of that will happen. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| July 31st, 2018 at 8:08:09 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Because there are no crimes to give evidence of. Nobody seems to get that this is an investigation in reverse. They took a phony document to get a warrant, in hopes they could sniff out some crime Trump committed, any crime. But they can't find squat. A real investigation starts with a real crime being done. Now they're hoping in vain they can bait Trump into a crime during the witch hunt. Good luck with that, Trump's lawyers are way smarter than Mueller's. Nobody cares about Manafort. But if the defense can get Trump's name involved, something Mueller is terrified of, the judge might toss the whole case. He has it in for Mieller and Mueller knows it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| August 1st, 2018 at 2:36:55 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18213 |
The libs are still hoping to find some technicality they can "get" Trump on, then they figure he and Pence will both be ousted. Then they hope Ryan will ascend to POTUS, putting Hillary in as VP. Then a day later Ryan resigns. Or they think if Trump is removed from office that Hillary gets the job. No wonder other nations are laughing at us. This is the kind of investigation that would happen to a Third World leader in a bad soap opera. The President is a fink. |
| August 1st, 2018 at 5:34:47 AM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Probably. I quite frankly have never considered these charges and countercharges to be news at all. They are simply different styles of attack. |
| August 1st, 2018 at 7:41:40 AM permalink | |
| ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 12540 |
Wrong. I'm hoping Donald serves his full term, helping Dems to gain seats in Congress and at the state level in the process. Then I'm hoping he loses handily in 2020 and we never have to think about his ugly fat ass again. “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
| August 1st, 2018 at 9:28:58 AM permalink | |
| reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 | Steve Bannon has been getting some flack for saying that Republicans ought to accept the cold hard fact that college-educated white women no longer vote Republican. "The Republican college-educated woman is done," Bannon told Vanity Fair. "They're gone. They were going anyway at some point in time. Trump triggers them." Check out the right-hand section of the graph below. Bannon is correct. The problem for the GOP, is that on election day, women show up to the polls more reliably than men do. In every presidential election since 1980, the proportion of female adults who voted has exceeded the proportion of made adults who voted. For example, in 2004, 60.1% of women and 56.3% of men voted. That's 67.3 million women and 58.5 million men - a difference of 8.8 million. In 2012, the difference in turnout was also about 4 percentage points (63.7 percent of ladies voted vs. 59.8 percent of gents).  |