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Quote: AZDuffman

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People are upset about an ad. Big deal. Who really cares. I dont think Ive ever shopped there or noticed one of their ads.

I don't know much about you, but I can safely say that you are not the target audience for Old Navy.

Jazz clubs often had racially mixed customers, I'm sure Speakeasys were open to anyone who replied to the Mary Had A Little Lamb challenge with the response And The Doctor Fainted. San Francisco was more racially mixed than Los Angeles.

I think it was the big sleep where a Pasadena gambling joint was depicted. Generally upscale, white clientele: dinner, drinks, singing, ... and a casino. I think blacks were legal in Pasadena but not in neighboring Glendale where blacks were uniformly arrested if it was after sundown.

A lot of movies distort history: look at all those poker games in the movies and so few faro tables in the cantina.

Quote: Fleastiff

Jazz clubs often had racially mixed customers, I'm sure Speakeasys were open to anyone who replied to the Mary Had A Little Lamb challenge with the response And The Doctor Fainted.

I would doubt that. There were probably speakeasies in black neighborhoods same as white and people stayed in each. You probably went to the wrong place at considerable peril to yourself.

Quote: AZDuffman

I would doubt that. There were probably speakeasies in black neighborhoods.

There were definitely speaks in Black
neighborhoods. People just don't
realize how segregated public places
were. Not by law, by preference. For
every white guy in a bar who didn't
care if a black came in, there were 10
who were violently against it. They
were raised that way, they were brainwashed,
just like a religion. Blacks were 2nd
class people, not as good as whites, and
letting them in means you are 2nd class.

Quote: Evenbob

There were definitely speaks in Black
neighborhoods. People just don't
realize how segregated public places
were. Not by law, by preference. For
every white guy in a bar who didn't
care if a black came in, there were 10
who were violently against it. They
were raised that way, they were brainwashed,
just like a religion. Blacks were 2nd
class people, not as good as whites, and
letting them in means you are 2nd class.

But the thing is a white in a black bar would not fare any better.

I agree people do not realize how it was. County pools by me were segregated until 1970 or 1971. Then they closed the black pool for a year, opened it for a year, then closed it forever. (It was older and smaller, but free.) If you went to the wrong pool chances are you would be near drowned, assuming you made it out of the locker room alive. My dad saw a black kid go to the white pool, several cops had to escort him off the premises.

I also don't go along with the "2nd Class" thing. It was more about it being "our place" to people. They would mean no harm outside, but attitude was each their own place. That is not just skin color. Many was the bar near a mill which was for the Irish and if you were Polish then "your place" was 2 doors down. Hunkys were 3 doors down the other way. In my own town I was told the bar to stay out of based on skin tone.

Quote: AZDuffman

I agree people do not realize how it was. County pools by me were segregated until 1970 or 1971. Then they closed the black pool for a year, opened it for a year, then closed it forever.

Same here. As soon as city pools became
unsegregated, they closed in two years.
Too many fights, too many near rape
incidents involving young white girls.

Quote: Fleastiff

... in neighboring Glendale ... blacks were uniformly arrested if it was after sundown.

The wikipedia article doesn't mention it [unless I missed it] but Sundown Towns were a phenomenon across the US and were actually more rare in the South than elsewhere. I lived in one as a child, or at least people said it was such [I don't remember a sign]. It was one of those rare towns in the South where there were almost no Af/A residents due to the fact it sprang up after the Civil War. I think this says why Sundown Towns were found less in Dixie: most towns and cities already had large black populations; Sundown ordinances were put in place where this was not the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town

Blackjack Dealer intones to Floor Man as three black chips are placed in the 'last base' betting box by a black man: Blacks in play!

Southern Girl sitting at First Base replies: Oh, please don't make a fuss. I don't mind if he plays.


The mass migration of the depression and then of the war caused social change but even the Army that sent black laborers to build a military road in Alaska felt it important to keep blacks away from the native population. Troops moving thru the south would see "Men, Women, Colored" bathrooms and had to be ordered not to drink from the 'white' water fountain. High wages in the auto plants and then high wages in all defense plants brought migration to the city but settlement within was probably still by neighborhoods.

I once met a girl whose father was hassled by the police for letting a black woman walk past him on the White side of the street in some small Southern town.

Our little group here is coming down hard on "that stuff was not right" - no dissent I think

But there are probably people who consider DT to be full of bigots of the opposite kind

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A surgical robot outperformed human surgeons in stitching the small intestines of pigs back together, researchers report.

Without any direct human interaction, the Smart Tissue Autonomous Robot (STAR) reconnected the intestines with sutures that proved more accurate, evenly spaced and durable than those created by human hands, the machine's developers said

http://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2016-05-04/robots-stake-their-claim-in-the-operating-room