Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

August 16th, 2023 at 4:47:51 PM permalink
rxwine
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I don't think you're following. 1/10th of a degree is not a trend line.
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August 16th, 2023 at 7:02:06 PM permalink
kenarman
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scientists know they have to make adjustments to the data, this is not a secret, nor is it necessarily done wrong. An example is the heat island effect, where the old data was in an orchard maybe, and the new data close to a heat island. The scientists know that

what *we* don't know is if there is a bias that creeps in, and that's when they aren't up to something

As for NASA, an honest evaluation from them would be "all this is new data. We can't compare any of it more than 50 years because the satellites weren't there till then, and barely then. Most of it was not collected until X years ago" [I'd guess 20]

what do they do instead? I found that article and some nitwit says "it’s very likely that July 2023 was hotter than any month in any year since at least 1850,”

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/earth-just-hottest-july-long-shot-nasa-noaa-say-rcna99775


The 'new' collection system came in this year.
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August 17th, 2023 at 2:54:02 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: kenarman
Quote: odiousgambit
scientists know they have to make adjustments to the data, this is not a secret, nor is it necessarily done wrong. An example is the heat island effect, where the old data was in an orchard maybe, and the new data close to a heat island. The scientists know that

what *we* don't know is if there is a bias that creeps in, and that's when they aren't up to something

As for NASA, an honest evaluation from them would be "all this is new data. We can't compare any of it more than 50 years because the satellites weren't there till then, and barely then. Most of it was not collected until X years ago" [I'd guess 20]

what do they do instead? I found that article and some nitwit says "it’s very likely that July 2023 was hotter than any month in any year since at least 1850,”

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/earth-just-hottest-july-long-shot-nasa-noaa-say-rcna99775


The 'new' collection system came in this year.
one year, not 20 years? good grief

Rxwine, yeah, they had good thermometers, and 1654 was the year for the first one of modern type. What you don't seem to get is 200 years later in the 1850s you might have had just a handful of proper data collection points, and an inadequate number in 1950. With what was actually there, comparing the data would be tricky indeed with the adjustments for heat islands etc. Then there is the matter of needing the ocean data ... my main point being this is all new, how they are doing this, with next to nothing to compare it to that would have been done in the old way
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August 17th, 2023 at 3:10:04 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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I'm not arguing that there is 'nothing to' the theory that the climate is changing due to use of fossil fuels. There is data that shows it, they say, maybe it's reliable, maybe bias has ruined some of it. I think most of us could agree there is climate change evidence ... which may be 99% natural, or may be over 50% man-made ... that's what they need to figure out

What there is no need for is creating a crisis mentality for a crisis that doesn't exist. So here we have, in my opinion, people put as spokespersons for NASA, NOAA, the UN department for it, going along as a sense of political duty to hype it all. Wouldn't have the job unless they were willing and able to do that. 1850? really?

I keep noting that Sri Lanka has disappeared from the news cycle. There's no way that the news isn't still coming from there, since the problems surely didn't vanish overnight. What a textbook example of what climate change hysteria can lead to. Those poor people, for unclear reasons, listened to the crackpots and thought they could go total wind, solar, and say goodbye to fossil fuels, overnight. Even eliminated nitrogen fertilizer. Well, that news can't be part of daily consumption around here, can it?
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August 17th, 2023 at 3:29:53 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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wikipedia page on the Sri Lanka economic crisis blames it on debt largely. I searched the article for the words wind, solar, green .... not found. The word 'energy' can not be found in the context of green energy replacing fossil fuels. So I am concluding that it's been deemed not proper to mention these factors in Wikipedia, somebody might find out it's dangerous to listen to crackpots

or maybe I imagined all those things I related in the prior post. You tell me

Quote: boy what debt can do!
declines in electricity, fuel and cooking gas consumption, resulting from shortages... Nearly 1000 bakeries have been shut as a response to shortages of cooking gas... Long queues have formed in recent months in front of petrol filling stations... daily power cuts have been imposed ... post soldiers at various gas and fuel filling stations ... the government suspended fuel sales to non-essential vehicles... shortage of aviation fuel....all international airlines to carry extra fuel while flying into Sri Lanka.


"People waiting for hours to refill liquefied petroleum gas cylinders"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_economic_crisis_(2019%E2%80%93present)
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August 17th, 2023 at 3:32:14 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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What there is no need for is creating a crisis mentality for a crisis that doesn't exist. So here we have, in my opinion, people put as spokespersons for NASA, NOAA, the UN department for it, going along as a sense of political duty to hype it all. Wouldn't have the job unless they were willing and able to do that. 1850? really?


Global warming is a cult. The truest believers will not listen to reason or science. They believe it and nothing will change their minds. Generally they are not even well informed. For example, many confuse ozone depletion and global warming. Most are atheists so my thought is the part of the brain that needs to believe in a higher power has chosen to let global warming be that thing.

I doubt 1% of them know less than 0.1% of the atmosphere is CO2.
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August 17th, 2023 at 3:39:43 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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these are lies? shut down this website! somebody at cnn, msnbc, etc might see this! Maybe even wikipedia!

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The country submitted its updated Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) ¬¬– its plan to help achieve the goals of the Paris Agreement – to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change in July 2021. This includes an ambition to generate 70% of its electricity from renewables by 2030, and to achieve carbon neutrality in the power sector by 2050. Sri Lanka also aims to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 4% by 2030 versus anticipated levels in a business-as-usual scenario. With international financial and technological support, it could lower emissions by a larger 14.5%. The document also envisions Sri Lanka developing around 800 megawatts (MW) of wind-power generation on its northern coast by 2030, as well as 2,000MW of solar power capacity, including rooftop installations, and small-scale and large power plants.

Fossil fuel phase-out policy

While Sri Lanka does not have a fossil-fuel phase-out policy yet, it pledged not to add any more coal power plants in September 2021, as well as to convert existing fuel-oil-based combined cycle units to natural gas, and to introduce natural-gas-based power plants to support its targets for reducing carbon emissions. The country has therefore scrapped coal-power plant additions from its long-term generation plan running up to 2041.


https://www.global-climatescope.org/markets/lk/
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August 17th, 2023 at 5:54:21 AM permalink
rxwine
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wikipedia page on the Sri Lanka economic crisis blames it on debt largely. I searched the article for the words wind, solar, green .... not found. The word 'energy' can not be found in the context of green energy replacing fossil fuels. So I am concluding that it's been deemed not proper to mention these factors in Wikipedia, somebody might find out it's dangerous to listen to crackpots

or maybe I imagined all those things I related in the prior post. You tell me



"People waiting for hours to refill liquefied petroleum gas cylinders"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_economic_crisis_(2019%E2%80%93present)


Wiki pages aren't necessarily current. And there were economic effects everywhere a year ago as well.

Quote:
COLOMBO, July 5 (Reuters) - A year after angry Sri Lankans stormed the president's residence and forced his ouster during a meltdown of the economy, the island's streets are calm, there are no serpentine queues at fuel stations and hours-long power cuts have ended.


Was Sri Lanka ever an economic model to begin with? I don't think so.
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August 17th, 2023 at 6:01:16 AM permalink
rxwine
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Also as to hand waving alarmist. I've never been affected at all from the border crisis. Not once, not ever. So, that means it's not important because it doesn't affect me now, so far?
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August 17th, 2023 at 6:49:47 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Also as to hand waving alarmist. I've never been affected at all from the border crisis. Not once, not ever. So, that means it's not important because it doesn't affect me now, so far?


We know it is not important to you because you voted for the open border candidate and have been against any kind of border controls.
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