Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

August 22nd, 2022 at 5:07:33 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: kenarman
Carbon credits do not reduce carbon though. So he is adding more than his share of carbon to the atmosphere.


Climate change deniers have literally had to give up their claims that nothing worrying is happening because facts are continually beating that down.

Now they've completely retreated to nothing will work.

Get use to keep losing and retreating on your views.
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August 22nd, 2022 at 5:23:20 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Gandler
There are things known as "sin taxes" these are to reduce behavior. Alcohol, tobacco (and certain firearms) are taxed to decreased the rate at which they are purchased (often called sin tax). Carbon Tax is the same thing (and could be classified as a sin tax), its to reduce a behavior that is damaging to society. It sounds very similar to your church example (except the money would be used for positive infrastructure projects).


Except carbon is not a danger to society. Carbon is the building block of life.
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August 22nd, 2022 at 5:24:54 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Climate change deniers have literally had to give up their claims that nothing worrying is happening because facts are continually beating that down.


Only in the minds of liberals. "Weather" happens, always has. And there is zero reason to believe a temperature 1C lower is better. Historically warmer is better.
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August 22nd, 2022 at 5:36:48 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Only in the minds of liberals. "Weather" happens, always has. And there is zero reason to believe a temperature 1C lower is better. Historically warmer is better.


At least Trump loves the uneducated.
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August 22nd, 2022 at 5:44:23 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
At least Trump loves the uneducated.
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Seems to me the ones who just say, "I let the scientists think for me" are the ones who fit that description.
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August 22nd, 2022 at 5:45:04 PM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: Gandler
There are things known as "sin taxes" these are to reduce behavior. Alcohol, tobacco (and certain firearms) are taxed to decreased the rate at which they are purchased (often called sin tax). Carbon Tax is the same thing (and could be classified as a sin tax), its to reduce a behavior that is damaging to society. It sounds very similar to your church example (except the money would be used for positive infrastructure projects).

It forces people to change behavior. If you live in NYC and cigarettes cost 13 USD a pack, you are probably not going to smoke three packs a day anymore, and may cutback to one or quit.

High taxes do reduce the behavior which is taxed.

Now, the issues (which can be positive or negative) with carbon tax compared to other sin taxes is that it would increase the cost of many (probably most) goods. Of course, this is not inherently a bad thing, during extreme times (such as most wars), the cost of everything goes up drastically until society reaches a point in which it can normalize. It causes people to live more responsibly.

Also, I am not a sucker for celebrities, if I sent them money every month, I would be a sucker (I consume less popular media than most people, so I barely even indirectly support them). So if some random rich guy claim to be responsible and flies on a plane, it does not effect me in the slightest.


Don't confuse carbon taxes which likely reduce the use of fossil fuels by making them more expensive and carbon credits which allow you to pollute with impunity. Much of the carbon credits are going to 3rd world countries because they don't pollute as much. The credits will be used to modernize the 3rd world country so they can pollute more. Total scam.
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August 22nd, 2022 at 5:47:14 PM permalink
rxwine
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Seems to me the ones who just say, "I let the scientists think for me" are the ones who fit that description.


Your brain against theirs. You lose.
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August 22nd, 2022 at 5:51:43 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Your brain against theirs. You lose.


Really? 50 years ago they were warning about a coming ice age. Be a sucker if you want, I will keep thinking for myself.

Be sure to send your money to the evangelists. They can spend it better than you can.
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August 22nd, 2022 at 5:59:08 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Really? 50 years ago they were warning about a coming ice age. Be a sucker if you want, I will keep thinking for myself.

Be sure to send your money to the evangelists. They can s1p111111e1n1d it1 b11ett1er tha1n you can.


Go argue with some climate scientist. They probably need a good laugh.
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August 22nd, 2022 at 8:25:25 PM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: rxwine
Go argue with some climate scientist. They probably need a good laugh.


I will go with the NASA climatologist I was talking that had just bought a beach front house in S. Carolina that is 4.5 feet above sea level.
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