Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

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Quote: DRich

But I will, I want people to realize how futile it is. I don't believe anything we will do today will save many people that are alive today, and being a nihilist why would I care about future generations.

Yeah, well you stated your position. I read it. I'm not convinced. Welcome to that club of not convincing people. It's a big one.

Quote: rxwine

How about climate warming skeptic?

'Skeptic' does just fine. 'Denier' is right in line with throwing 'racist' around at everybody
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Quote: odiousgambit

'Skeptic' does just fine. 'Denier' is right in line with throwing 'racist' around at everybody
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Agree here. "Skeptic" does not mean you deny anything is changing, it means you do not buy all "the sky is falling" predictions. In my experience, climate skeptics know the science of it far better than the believers. I have known believers who confuse ozone depletion with global warming.

Quote: AZDuffman

Agree here. "Skeptic" does not mean you deny anything is changing, it means you do not buy all "the sky is falling" predictions. In my experience, climate skeptics know the science of it far better than the believers. I have known believers who confuse ozone depletion with global warming.

exactly

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1913 – in July, the hottest heat wave ever struck California. During this heat wave, Death Valley recorded a record high temperature of 57 °C (134 °F) at Furnace Creek, which still remains the highest ambient air temperature recorded on Earth.

I suppose this is considered a lie, since everybody knows record temperatures could only be recent

So we are currently besieged by alarmism over the current heat wave in Europe. Of course it is news, but in those reports citing climate change, I'd take them a little more seriously if we got some context .... like this from wikipedia, link at bottom

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1906 – during the 1906 United Kingdom heat wave which began in August and lasted into September broke numerous records. On September 2 temperatures reached 35.6 °C (96.1 °F), which still holds the September record, however some places beat their local record during September 1911 and September 2016.

1911 – 1911 United Kingdom heat wave was one of the most severe periods of heat to hit the country with temperatures around 36 °C (97 °F). The heat began in early July and didn't let up until mid September where even in September temperatures were still up to 33 °C (91 °F). It took 79 years for temperature higher to be recorded in the United Kingdom during 1990 United Kingdom heat wave.
1911 – 41,072 deaths were reported during a heat wave in France.

October 1952 – Romania was hit by very hot weather. Temperatures reached 39.0 °C (102.2 °F) on 2 October, with Bucharest reaching 35.2 °C (95.4 °F). Temperatures on the night of 2–3 October were also just under 26 °C (79 °F).

1955 – 1955 United Kingdom heat wave was a period of hot weather that was accompanied by drought. In some places it was the worst drought on record, more severe than 1976 and 1995.

1976 – 1976 United Kingdom heat wave was one of the hottest in living memory and was marked by constant blue skies from May until September when dramatic thunderstorms signalled the heat wave's end.

1983 – United Kingdom experienced a heatwave during July 1983. This was the hottest month ever recorded until it was beaten in 2006.

1987 – prolonged heat wave from 20 to 31 July in Greece, with more than 1,000 deaths in the area of Athens. The maximum temperature measured was 41.9 °C (107.4 °F) at 23 July at the center of Athens and in the suburb of Nea Philadelphia, 8 kilometres (5.0 mi) northeast was 43.6 °C (110.5 °F) on 27 July, and were combined with high minima, with the highest being 30.2 °C (86.4 °F) in the center of Athens at 27 July and 29.9 °C (85.8 °F) at 24 July at Nea Philadelfia. The lowest minimum was 25.6 °C (78.1 °F) at the center of Athens. Moreover, humidity was high and wind speeds low, contributing to human discomfort, even during the night.[10]

1990 – cities across the United Kingdom broke their all time temperature records in the dramatic 1990 United Kingdom heat wave temperatures peaked at 37 °C (99 °F). This led to one of the hottest Augusts on record, records going back to 1659.

1995 – United Kingdom experienced its 3rd hottest summer since 1659. August was the hottest on record since 1659. The summer was also the driest on record since 1766. Temperatures peaked at 35 °C (95 °F) on 1 August, which did not break the all-time record.

1997 – United Kingdom experienced its 3rd major heatwave in 7 years with August 1997 being one of the hottest on record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heat_waves

Quote: rxwine

Yeah, well you stated your position. I read it. I'm not convinced. Welcome to that club of not convincing people. It's a big one.

I am not trying to convince non-believers, I am just here to enlighten them.

Quote: odiousgambit

So we are currently besieged by alarmism over the current heat wave in Europe. Of course it is news, but in those reports citing climate change, I'd take them a little more seriously if we got some context .... like this from wikipedia, link at bottom

So, highest Uk temp you posted is 99.1 from a period of the last 116 years. Today it's 104.

There's still this:

Earth's temperature has risen by 0.14° Fahrenheit (0.08° Celsius) per decade since 1880, but the rate of warming since 1981 is more than twice that: 0.32° F (0.18° C) per decade. 2021 was the sixth-warmest year on record based on NOAA's temperature data.Jun 28, 2022

Quote: rxwine

So, highest Uk temp you posted is 99.1 from a period of the last 116 years. Today it's 104.

We don't know if these are the temperature data someone doing a serious analysis of climate change would use. The problem of the urban heat island has been known for a long time, and someone doing that analysis has to make adjustments. When have we seen a report in the news that uses adjusted data? I can say I have never seen one, or the topic brought up in a long time.

I have heard you can pretty much ignore all of it except ocean temperature studies, and they have problems with that data too, as they know now that ocean temperatures are supposed to change due to shifts in currents.

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There's still this:

Earth's temperature has risen by 0.14° Fahrenheit (0.08° Celsius) per decade since 1880, but the rate of warming since 1981 is more than twice that: 0.32° F (0.18° C) per decade. 2021 was the sixth-warmest year on record based on NOAA's temperature data.Jun 28, 2022

They are using ocean data for that probably. You will notice they don't say it has never been as much as 0.32° F before, only that they have determined with an unknown degree of certainty that the average was 0.14° F since 1880.

I have also noticed that you are back to leaving out links again. If this is from a journalist, he may be dramatizing a study, cherry picking.

I'm human, I think some of these heat waves are extraordinary and may mean something. Again, I'm not claiming there is no evidence of warming. I'm claiming there is alarmism.

I am now confused about climate change.

For years I've read and heard MSM hammer the issue so I assumed their claims were correct, but I recently began to question it.

Yes, things are getting warmer, but this could be caused primarily by natural forces out of our control, i.e. not man-made.

The earth's temperature changes over time, and it seems we've been on a warming trend: certainly not the first time.

While it makes sense that emissions might contribute to global warming I cannot in good conscience say they are the primary cause.