Original Sin?
December 7th, 2014 at 4:09:08 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Christians never understand that atheists don't see the imaginary lines separating who got talked to by god and who didn't. We don't get caught up in that. We think it's all one god talking to everybody or it isn't. This drives my wife nuts because I don't see a whit of difference between the Mormons and the Catholics and the Baptists. They all claim god talked to them, that puts them all on the same boat to me. Prove me wrong. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 7th, 2014 at 4:59:56 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Why wouldn't you look at the content of the message? If God told you about a non existent albino native American population, you could be pretty sure that's not God. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 7th, 2014 at 5:06:32 PM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
How would you know that? Couldn't it be God telling one of its "mythical" stories you claim are in the Bible? Padre, your circular logic is catching up with you on this one Bob...I'm getting annoyed again - tagging you in |
December 7th, 2014 at 5:09:51 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Ever heard of archeology? Mythical language is pretty easy to recognize when you study it or think about it. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 7th, 2014 at 5:17:15 PM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
Do the field of archeology is mythical? Padre, your argument holds no weight believers hold the key as to what is mythical and what is not It is exactly this:
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December 7th, 2014 at 5:50:08 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Ace, that tired dragon argument is the one that holds no weight in this case. Myth is an established literary genre with specific characteristics recognized by Biblical scholars and secular linguists. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 7th, 2014 at 5:53:44 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
This is actually one of the more consistent and understandable things you've posted as of late. I can understand that if you don't have a foundation or baseline of Divine Revelation you believe is true then all of those who claim to speak for God or relay a message from God blend together and are hard for you to separate. In that case I would recommend you use that wonderful "common sense" you spoke about recently to help determine what make sense or not. It doesn't take a genius to recognize the difference between the message of Jesus Christ and David Koresh or someone who claims to have an invisible dragon in their garage. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 7th, 2014 at 6:00:46 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Yup, Carl, you are correct. And we have to lump all the reports together, they all came from the same supposed source. The Muslims and the Baptists and Catholics and the Mormons are all under the same umbrella to an atheist. And don't let them try and show you how theirs is the 'right' word from god, down that road lies looniness and confusion, don't go there. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 7th, 2014 at 6:08:54 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
No no no, atheists do not reverse engineer. We don't believe in god, so the people who talk to god are all mistaken, every one of them. Religious people always do this. Try and pick the one that makes the most sense, they say sweetly. That's like having 12 bowls of soup in front of you that you know all have varying degrees of poison in them. You're asked to sample them and pick the one that makes you least sick, find the one you can live with, when you know none of them are good. All religions are built on myth and urban legends and wishful thinking and tradition. It's not a matter of finding the one you can tolerate, if you're an atheist, it's a matter of keeping a clear head and staying away from them entirely. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 7th, 2014 at 6:31:56 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Yet another logical statement that follows from your premise. Without believing in God this is what you have to hold. It reminds me of C.S. Lewis' arguement often titled "Jesus: lunatic, liar, or Lord". You can't just say Jesus was a good fellow. He doesn't allow you to hold that position. He clearly believed that He was the Son of God and Messiah and so did His followers and so does billions of people still today. That means either He was a lunatic, unlikely. A liar and evil man, no body really holds this position. Or the true Lord and incarnate God, lots and lots of people believe this. Because you don't believe in God I imagine you think He was a crazy person no different than Joseph Smith, Buddha, or Muhammad. That makes logical sense and is your understanding. I think that puts you in a difficult position to explain how Jesus was able to be the most influential person in human history and why His teaching resonates through the ages for so many people. Also hard to explain why so many people experience His real and loving presence still today.
Is one of those bowls healthy for you with no poison? What about the bowl that tastes like nothing or maybe an empty bowl that represents your understanding that there is no God? We all have to find the bowl that we can live with. You've chosen either the empty or bland bowl, or maybe you have decided not to eat - how then do you get the nourishment you need to live? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |