Original Sin?
March 11th, 2014 at 1:30:29 AM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
Yes, FrG just said that. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
March 11th, 2014 at 3:11:57 AM permalink | |
s2dbaker Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 13 Posts: 241 | I disagree, all of this "interpretation" gives us a rewrite to change the original meaning. See your quote below: If the author wanted to have God punish the devil inside the chatty serpent then the author would have written it that way. The text says that the peers of the talking serpent are livestock, not cherubim. If you were correct, the text would say: "Because you took possession of this serpent and caused it to talk to this gullible woman, you are cast from the heavens to live among the creatures of the world." But it doesn't say that. The bible actually sets up the scene by describing the Serpent as a craftier animal than any the Lord had made. You know this but didn't quote it. You quoted Wisdom of Solomon and Revelation instead. You purposely chose to excise Genesis 3:1 even though you knew it was there describing the serpent as an animal. The reason you are insisting that the talkative serpent is not an animal is because it makes no sense. There are no talking serpents. Serpents don't talk. So you're making up a plausible reason for the serpent to talk. In order to do that, you have to ignore what the text actually says and quote other texts that describe the previous story in a way that you like so that you can retain your faith. |
March 11th, 2014 at 3:53:26 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | One is a dance, the other is a bar. |
March 11th, 2014 at 3:59:46 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Does this mean a snake can not enter Heaven? Does the snake feel any sense of futility or remorse? Does the snake feel shame? Snakes are similar to any other species. Nature does not favor or disfavor them in any way. |
March 11th, 2014 at 4:31:00 AM permalink | |
chickenman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 0 Posts: 368 |
This seems very contradictory. If purgatory is a sort of holding place for ultimate cleansing prior to heaven, then were the just who were sent to hell mistakenly sent there and not to purgatory? A lot of twisting and turning has to take place to reconcile all of these concepts and get everyone on the same page. Sort of... He's everywhere, he's everywhere...! |
March 11th, 2014 at 6:04:56 AM permalink | |
odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 154 Posts: 5105 |
s2dbaker, you seem like a fine person, but you are now clearly being disingenuous. I was going to post a definition for "allegory" but of course you would be insulted by that. Because you are clearly too smart not to know what an allegory is. I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me] |
March 11th, 2014 at 7:36:27 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Yes, provided the author knew about fiction. Remarkably few people know fiction is a relatively recent development. I mean the mostly fictitious Bible, or any other ancient book, really, such as the Illiad, were presented as true, and in fact contained some truth in them. We call these things legends, now, and don't take them at face value. Anyway, since made-up, imaginary stories, events, people, characters and so on were thought to be real, the rules for fiction did not apply to them. One rule is not to look too deeply at the characters, because otherwise they tend to fall apart. Some characters can stand more scrutiny than others, of course. But as a rule the more fantastic a character seems, the more likley they are to fall apart under close scrutiny. The Bible has many fantastic characters. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
March 11th, 2014 at 8:09:18 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18209 |
Who would want to go to Heaven if it was filled with snakes? The President is a fink. |
March 11th, 2014 at 8:15:38 AM permalink | |
s2dbaker Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 13 Posts: 241 | Of course I'm being disingenuous. Who in their right mind would believe a word of that stuff? I could understand an allegory or even a fable or a parable but the next chapter of Genesis establishes a geneology from Adam to Noah. So the author fully intended the story to be the reality as he recorded it in his version of history. (I'll wait for another thread to discuss the horrible God of Noah) After Noah, the geneology continues. The only reason to include genealogy is the establish credibility. The author meant the story to be taken as truth, not figurative but literal. So arguing that there is something called Original Sin requires that the story of Adam and Eve be taken as literal truth, otherwise Original Sin is as made up as the story (which of course, it is). |
March 11th, 2014 at 8:17:48 AM permalink | |
s2dbaker Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 13 Posts: 241 | a snake handler? |