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Original Sin?
| June 25th, 2018 at 1:00:45 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
The myth says god created us with free will. He doesn't control any part of our lives like we're puppets doing his bidding. The myth says god makes no choices, he simpy sets the rules and observes the outcome. He knows the future, he doesn't control the future. The goof up in the Jesus/god myth is, they should have said Jesus was unaware he was god when he was here. He had no certainty of the future or if he would rise from the dead. Then you have a sacrifice. But even then, the sacrifice is not an earth shattering one, it's not epic. Jesus/god never gave up anything meaningful enough that it would 'save' anybody from anything. I saw that 45 years ago and the Xtions in my group did NOT want to discuss it. If I tried, they avoided me like I had a huge wad of smelly dog poop on the bottom of my shoe. Which is what this subject was to them. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 25th, 2018 at 5:04:46 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Bob, your last post was a little confusing. It seemed like you were saying a lot of,things kind of jumbled together. It also seems like you are softening a little on this sacrifice question and conceding that one could call what Jesus did a sacrifice. Now you are pivoting to say that you don't think the sacrifice of Christ was really that epic. I realize that you might like this tangent of our discussion because it can easily allow you to deeply offend me. You can say all you want but know that words cannot express how much it means to me that the all-powerful creator of the universe becoming man and then taking on the punishment for all our sins. They say that the redemption of mankind is even greater than its creation. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| June 25th, 2018 at 11:54:52 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
ALL Xtions say this, no matter how nonsensical it sounds and how much sense it doesn't make. They've been programmed that way, because believe me, to non Xtions, it's just a bunch of words strung together that make no sense. God and Jesus sacrificed nothing, in the way the myth was written. But if you don't examine that closely, and just blindly accept there was this huge epic unreal mammoth stellar 'sacrifice', as all good Xtions do, then to you it's real. To those on the outside looking in, it looks like what it is. Just another silly myth. It's conceptually impossible for an all seeing all understanding god, who knows every detail about the future, it's impossible for that god to sacrifice anything. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 25th, 2018 at 8:39:17 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | You are the one being silly. You keep repeating that if you know what is going to happen it is not a sacrifice. Or that if you know what is going to happen you don't have a choice. Whose choice was it to establish what would happen among the infinite possibilities? Was not God free in determining what would take place? Are we not free in our own actions even though God sees the past, present, and future as one? How does God knowing your actions unbeknownst to you effect what you do or say? Are you not still free. Please explain how God's knowledge of the future make His sacrifice impossible? You really aren't thinking about this enough, maybe you should attend a seminary class on the subject. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| June 25th, 2018 at 9:14:18 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Cutting to the chase, this is a big subject among non Xtions. We all want to know what the sacrifice was, and Xtions never have a real answer. They flail around like you're doing, none of which is a real sacrifice. God gave up nothing of value because for an all powerful all-everything god like Yahweh, that's not possible. A Greco/Roman god could make a sacrifice, they aren't everything-in-one-package gods, they're almost human in their faults. Yahweh has no faults. Your god could do a one man play on Broadway, dying on the cross every night, and it would be as nothing to him. No sacrifice involved. He's god.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 26th, 2018 at 6:04:19 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I think an all powerful, all knowing, eternal God becoming man, suffering, and dying for us is a sacrifice. You don't? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| June 26th, 2018 at 7:47:18 AM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
Conviction does not equal truth Padre -- just because Mary stuck to her story does not make it true |
| June 26th, 2018 at 8:17:22 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
True, it is part of the evidence that it is true. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| June 26th, 2018 at 8:27:08 AM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
lol |
| June 26th, 2018 at 9:10:39 AM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | So... an atheist's conviction that god isn't real is part of the evidence that god isn't real? "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |