Iran..

Quote: SOOPOO

We have reduced Iran to fighting with sticks and stones.

Reminds me of 'Nam.

Gee, we lost that one, too...

Quote: SOOPOO

Wrong. As usual. We attacked last night. Blew up stuff on 3 islands. Disabled a few Iranian tankers by selectively targeting their smokestacks! When you’ve already eliminated a country’s Navy and Air Force you can do such things. Market up slightly so doesn’t seem like anyone cares about these attacks much. Trump called it a ‘love tap’ and stated the cease fire is holding. To me, every time an opposing force bombs the smoke stacks of my tankers I don’t perceive that as a ‘cease fire holding’. We have reduced Iran to fighting with sticks and stones.

Considering the markets have barely closed for the week, it is literally impossible for me to be wrong. I am not talking about last night. I am talking about an actual campaign, which I believe if it does happen will be times after markets close. They will attempt to wrap it up before Monday open, obviously may or may not happen.

I truly hope that I am wrong. But, I technically cannot be wrong until 930am Monday.

There are always costs to wars, such as you just listed above.

The thing is, WWII was a NECESSARY war, but is Trump's Folly really necessary?

Or is it a parlor trick concocted by the fat oaf and his jewish buddy to keep in power?

Quote: missedhervee

There are always costs to wars, such as you just listed above.

The thing is, WWII was a NECESSARY war, but is Trump's Folly really necessary?

Or is it a parlor trick concocted by the fat oaf and his jewish buddy to keep in power?

We will find based on what agreement they sign. If the agreement is a watered down version of an agreement that Trump shredded, this was was the opposite of necessary. There was no urgency to attack Iran, so there was no necessity in the self-defense sense.

Allegedly Iran sent their answer to Trump's demands to Pakistan about 2 hours ago, and they are still not releasing the answer (or what Trump's demands are,) so who knows....

Quote: Gandler

We will find based on what agreement they sign. If the agreement is a watered down version of an agreement that Trump shredded, this was was the opposite of necessary. There was no urgency to attack Iran, so there was no necessity in the self-defense sense.

Allegedly Iran sent their answer to Trump's demands to Pakistan about 2 hours ago, and they are still not releasing the answer (or what Trump's demands are,) so who knows....

Come on! Whatever agreement is reached…. Iran has no Navy or Air Force at present! How come you never mention that?!?

Many of their leaders are pushing up daisies, and those that replaced them will be looking over their shoulders until they are pushing up daisies.

It is now clear that we can do them militarily whatever we want. And with unstable Trump pulling the trigger I wouldn’t be confident in Iran’s ability to even remotely protect itself.

Quote: SOOPOO

Come on! Whatever agreement is reached…. Iran has no Navy or Air Force at present! How come you never mention that?!?

Many of their leaders are pushing up daisies, and those that replaced them will be looking over their shoulders until they are pushing up daisies.

It is now clear that we can do them militarily whatever we want. And with unstable Trump pulling the trigger I wouldn’t be confident in Iran’s ability to even remotely protect itself.

ROTFL
As usual Soopoo can't deal with the reality of the situation
They control the strait
They know Trump is desperate to open the Strait
They are in a negotiating power position
No doubt they are asking for concessions to open the Strait
Trump will look weak if he gives up concessions
Trump will look weak if he can't open the Strait
Trump painted himself into a corner
Iran is well aware of this. The entire planet is aware of this. Soopoo is unaware of this
Got the popcorn out 😉

Quote: terapined1

ROTFL
As usual Soopoo can't deal with the reality of the situation
They control the strait
They know Trump is desperate to open the Strait
They are in a negotiating power position
No doubt they are asking for concessions to open the Strait
Trump will look weak if he gives up concessions
Trump will look weak if he can't open the Strait
Trump painted himself into a corner
Iran is well aware of this. The entire planet is aware of this. Soopoo is unaware of this
Got the popcorn out 😉

^^^^THIS

Quote: SOOPOO

Come on! Whatever agreement is reached…. Iran has no Navy or Air Force at present! How come you never mention that?!?

Many of their leaders are pushing up daisies, and those that replaced them will be looking over their shoulders until they are pushing up daisies.

It is now clear that we can do them militarily whatever we want. And with unstable Trump pulling the trigger I wouldn’t be confident in Iran’s ability to even remotely protect itself.

I wish I can find a clip, because it was actually from Fox News of all places last night. But, basically they even conceded that one of the problems, is that "we killed all of the moderate leadership, and those left are military leaders and extremists." If even Fox News is making this point, I think you need to finally concede that the new leaders and remaining leaders are not as great as your portray, and maybe killing all of the normal (by Iran standards) leaders was not smart....

Even the new Ayatollah is regarded as much more extreme than his father. And, he is physically injured/disfigured, and the U.S. and Israel targeted (and succeeded in killing,) his kids and his wife. I am sure he is not in a rush to make a deal. I know this, if the U.S. targeted my kids and wife, there would be no deal ever, I would drive the boat off of the edge of the world first. And, that is atheist me, as my mind currently is. If I believed in an afterlife, and that I was a martyr and a religious leader, even more so.

And, based on the response that has leaked so far, it does not seem like Trump likes Iran's response.


But, yes they have no Air Force or Navy as far as I know? I am not sure why I need to "admit this"? As far as I can tell they do have missiles, drones and other arms that can cause months of terror in the middle east if full combat resumes. And, frankly for that style of warfare, those are better weapons than a traditional battleship that the U.S. can target in about 2 mins....

This is not going well for the U.S., even if a deal is signed by midnight tonight, this is not going well for the U.S., and I am not going to pretend that it is. And, so far, from all leaks this afternoon, it looks like it is about to get worse before it gets better this weekend and this week....