Trump 2025

August 10th, 2025 at 3:02:07 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Really? What is Trump failing at? Trade deals and peace deals galore. Getting things done. If he is failing we need more of it.

Failure is having one job to do and giggling to an interviewer about it. IOW, the one you voted for.


You believing his brags and lies is not success.
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August 10th, 2025 at 3:16:42 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: AZDuffman
Really? What is Trump failing at?


He promised and has so far failed to...

1. end inflation

2. end the Ukraine conflict

3. end the Israeli / Gaza conflict

4. bring Americans together again: his attitude and policies only flame the fires of divisiveness and arguably could plunge us into some form of rebellion against his authoritarian dictatorship.

what he has accomplished was only done by suspending the normal, customary way of doing things, i.e. turning everything topsy-turvey "just because."

Complete idiocy on display in the WH.

He'd like smielly dog shit clinging to America's sole...
August 10th, 2025 at 4:28:26 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: missedhervee
He promised and has so far failed to...

1. end inflation

2. end the Ukraine conflict

3. end the Israeli / Gaza conflict

4. bring Americans together again: his attitude and policies only flame the fires of divisiveness and arguably could plunge us into some form of rebellion against his authoritarian dictatorship.

what he has accomplished was only done by suspending the normal, customary way of doing things, i.e. turning everything topsy-turvey "just because."

Complete idiocy on display in the WH.

He'd like smielly dog shit clinging to America's sole...


He has delivered like half a dozen trade deals and peace deals. Closed the border up tight. Had a budget surplus in June, hopefully we get a tax refund there.

He is making America great again. Delivering as promised.

As to "divisiveness" well he cannot be responsible for a part of the society that is mentally ill fairies who just cannot handle their side not being in power and their warped view of the world being catered to. Seriously, people who think there are unlimited genders do not like him? Then he clearly is doing something right.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength
August 10th, 2025 at 4:29:14 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
You believing his brags and lies is not success.


So, all the trade deals and peace deals are fake? The secure border is fake?

You need to come back to reality.
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August 10th, 2025 at 4:57:36 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Tariffs are paid BY AMERICANS.

He sure fooled ya into thinking it was other countries who will suffer.

So stupid not to tax OT or tips, and to give big breaks to the wealthy.

Hey, I don't MIND getting the big breaks, but it really is fucking the little people where it hurts.
August 10th, 2025 at 10:52:30 PM permalink
missedhervee
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August 11th, 2025 at 2:37:13 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: missedhervee
Tariffs are paid BY AMERICANS.

He sure fooled ya into thinking it was other countries who will suffer.

So stupid not to tax OT or tips, and to give big breaks to the wealthy.

Hey, I don't MIND getting the big breaks, but it really is fucking the little people where it hurts.


The wealthy got big breaks? Really? Where? When? The "wealthy" pay far more than their fair share by any measure.

With the tariffs comes a couple trillion in investment, a great thing.

I would rather tariffs than a gas tax or higher income taxes. Tariffs are working.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength
August 11th, 2025 at 4:09:54 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: AZDuffman
The "wealthy" pay far more than their fair share by any measure.



I would rather tariffs than a gas tax or higher income taxes. Tariffs are working.


The libs just don’t get this. When I used to be a high earner, I would note that I was paying as much as 10 families making an ‘average’ income. My only complaint was when I was told I wasn’t paying ‘my fair share’. If I got a ‘tax break’ and was now only supporting 9 families instead of 10 it would still seem ‘fair’ to me.

Same with the tariffs. The government has to collect money somehow.
Republicans—. Tariffs are one tool to do so
Democrat—- Just let the deficit balloon.

Gas tax is a great example. How can ANYONE against tariffs justify gas taxes? Those are DIRECTLY paid for by consumers, probably MORE regressive in nature than tariffs!
August 11th, 2025 at 6:31:58 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
The wealthy got big breaks? Really? Where? When? The "wealthy" pay far more than their fair share by any measure.



Do they now? I'd like to hear SOOPOO's opinion on this.

Quote:
1. Buying real estate
Wealthy individuals often buy and sell real estate, deducting expenses like mortgage interest and property taxes. They also benefit from depreciation deductions and may use credit lines against assets to access cash without selling.
2. Investing in businesses with tax breaks
Billionaires invest in industries with government tax incentives, such as energy, and can claim deductions for related expenses.
3. The "buy, borrow, die" strategy
This involves acquiring appreciating assets like stocks and real estate but avoiding sales to prevent capital gains taxes. Instead, they borrow against these assets, and heirs inherit them with a stepped-up cost basis, eliminating past capital gains.
4. Converting personal assets into business expenses
Luxury items like yachts and private jets can be placed under corporate ownership, allowing expenses to be deducted as business costs.
5. Utilizing trusts and foundations
Transferring assets into trusts and foundations can reduce taxable estates. Private foundations can also provide immediate tax deductions, and irrevocable trusts can reduce income and estate taxes.
6. Capital gains tax loophole and tax-loss harvesting
A significant portion of wealthy income comes from investments taxed at the lower capital gains rate. They can also sell investments that have lost value to offset gains and lower taxable income.
7. Maximizing deductions and credits
Wealthy individuals can use itemized deductions like charitable donations and home mortgage interest. Business expense deductions for things like travel and meals are also common. Other strategies include hiring family members and maximizing contributions to retirement accounts and HSAs.
8. Offshore tax havens
Utilizing offshore tax havens with low or no taxes and banking secrecy through shell companies or trusts can help avoid taxes in their home country. Legal vagueness and tax treaties can also be leveraged.
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August 11th, 2025 at 6:59:26 AM permalink
GenoDRPh
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Quote: SOOPOO
The libs just don’t get this. When I used to be a high earner, I would note that I was paying as much as 10 families making an ‘average’ income. My only complaint was when I was told I wasn’t paying ‘my fair share’. If I got a ‘tax break’ and was now only supporting 9 families instead of 10 it would still seem ‘fair’ to me.

Same with the tariffs. The government has to collect money somehow.
Republicans—. Tariffs are one tool to do so
Democrat—- Just let the deficit balloon.

Gas tax is a great example. How can ANYONE against tariffs justify gas taxes? Those are DIRECTLY paid for by consumers, probably MORE regressive in nature than tariffs!


(1) Your point about paying as much as 10 families? That's irrelevant, What's relevant is were paying as much as 1 SooPoo.

(2) Do you have any comment about the deficits and the Federal debt ballooning more under previous GOP post-war Presidents than under post-war Democratic Presidents? Do you have any comment about the US economy since World War II consistently doing better under Democratic presidents than under Republican presidents? Do you have any comment about the CBO scoring of the Big Beautiful Bill, with the CBO estimating that Public Law 119-21 will result in a net increase in the unified budget deficit totaling $3.4 trillion over the 2025-2034 period?

So please tell us more about how Democrats' economic policy is to just let the deficit explode, when the last President to have a balanced Federal budget, elimination of the Federal deficit AND lowered the Federal debt was under Bill Clinton, a Democrat? Please tell us all about how the national debt to GDP ratio has done better under Democratic Presidents than GOP Presidents since 1974?

Tell us more, and prove what you say isn't more of your conservative lies about the economy.

(3) If gas taxes were allocated to what they were supposed to do, which is maintaining roads and transportation infrastructure, there'd by no problem. As an aside, here in MA, boat fuel is exempt from gas tax. Win-win!