Filner, Mayor of San Diego. When Does He Resign?

To note:

June 2013 :

"Chick-fil-A opened its 13th location in the Chicago area Thursday morning -- a store at State and Lake near the Chicago Theater -- as it continues to build its presence here."

"As part of that northern, urban expansion, Chick-fil-A plans to open as many as 14 more in the Chicago area during the next three to five years."

Seems the Alderman and the Mayor were unable to enact on anything apart from hot air.

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You are make a false equivalency, where the abuse of existing powers (and I've only seen statements that they -would- refuse, not that any licences were actually refused, but maybe it did happen) is the same as passing explicit laws.

I find it the same. We live in a common-law system, where you do not have to pass a new law to find new ways to use it. 1930s Germany was more code-law, where you have less room to maneuver in that regard.

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I find it almost offensive that you try to tie a simple abuse of power to the systematic removal of rights, disenfranchisment, imprisonment and killing of millions of people in Germany together. It's in no way at all the same.

I didn't say there were death camps for non-homophiles. Though we do have "diversity training" for those who do not toe the line. And denial of tenure if you happen to teach. You can be sure the military will soon be denying promotions to those who do not accept the line, there has already been sporadic harassment.

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Laws often get used against a belief I have. I don't start shouting Nazi Germany. It's not helpful to do so.

As stated before, I didn't start the Nazi thing. I will equate homophile treatment to fascist tactics, however, knowing that there have been plenty of fascist regimes other than Germany.

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As stated before, I didn't start the Nazi thing. I will equate homophile treatment to fascist tactics, however, knowing that there have been plenty of fascist regimes other than Germany.

Headshake. You can do so. Doesn't mean anyone should take it seriously though. And as you (and I assume a variety of commentators do) make these bold but daft statements, your core complaints will be ignored in a sea of noise, falsehoods and hyperbole.

You kept it running, and in a direction that is demonstrably ludicrous.

I'll end there.

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It's not helpful to do so.

Of course it's helpful. For the other side, yes, but very helpful nontheless.

So we should not advise them against it. In fact, we should encourage them. for instance, They can also make comparisons to Oceania (you know, "There is no such thing as marriage, there never was such a thing as marriage, and we've always been at war with East Asia!!") At the very least it makes for good entertainment for those who look inside their echo chamber (epistemically closed echo chamber, that is).

On the downside, they damage the rest of the Republican Party, which does advocate some sane policies for a change. It's a measur eof the religious wing's instabilities that they'd rather let the country go to hell, than accept the full rights of a minority.

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On the downside, they damage the rest of the Republican Party, which does advocate some sane policies for a change. It's a measur eof the religious wing's instabilities that they'd rather let the country go to hell, than accept the full rights of a minority.

And of course we know how he wants to look out for the GOP!

FACEPALM!

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Of course it's helpful. For the other side, yes, but very helpful nontheless.

This is a dodgy statement as well, that very much epitomises the problem with politics. You should go shake your head as well. I don't want commentators making out ragoues comparisons in order to try and score points in a debate, and through out hyperbole that insults the dead of Nazi Germany by comparing a mayoral statement with the Nuremberg race laws. I don't think it's helpful at all. To anyone, on any side.

The best political debates are when the opposing side in a debate can hold up a mirror to your position and help refine it, to understand the opposition to an idea, and examine the criticism to see if it's valid, if changes to a policy or idea or process of getting that idea adopted. Because change doesn't happen just because someone stomps their feet and says it must be this way, any other way is FAAIIIRR. Regardless of whether that fairness is 'obvious' or not.

As soon as a irrevocable divide is made where debate goes to the extremes and Godwin's law becomes common place, no common understanding can be had. As i repeatedly stated, there's very good criticism of the gay rights movement that can be made, and countered and re-countered. This was not an example.

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there's very good criticism of the gay rights movement that can be made, and countered and re-countered. This was not an example.

This thread is about the former mayor of San Diego, Bob "The Groper" Filner. He is gone and we are all better off for it.

I'll start a Godwin thread for any other conversations and debates.

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This is a dodgy statement as well, that very much epitomises the problem with politics. You should go shake your head as well. I don't want commentators making out ragoues comparisons in order to try and score points in a debate, and through out hyperbole that insults the dead of Nazi Germany by comparing a mayoral statement with the Nuremberg race laws. I don't think it's helpful at all. To anyone, on any side.

Let me tell you what worries me. If everyone yells "Hitlerrrrrr! every time someone says somethign they don't like, then when someone does come along who actually wants to follow on Hitler's footsteps, no one will believe you when you try to warn them. "Oh, suuuure," they'll say, "He's the 'Next Hitler.' What, like Bush was, or like Obama is supposed to be? Riight."

On the other hand, you have a vociferous group who demand the rights of some people be suspended or not recognized, because they have a difference of opinion on the matter. They resort to outright falsehoods, as you've seen, especially when they find their cause to be lost. They get in the way of their own party on more important issues. They claim to uphold liberty, yet demand public force be used to impose their views. They say they want government out of business (which is laudable), but demand government intervene by force in a free labor market.

So, you see, it's hard to think one should keep them from commiting political suicide if that's what they want to do. Even if the method they choose is what we're looking at right now.

My experience is 90% of people shouting 'liberal', 'fascist', 'socialist' or 'communist' don't know what those political theories and methods actually are.

The one that bugs me most is the slur usage of "Liberal" in American politics, by supporters of the party that actually was founded on (classical) liberal values.

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The one that bugs me most is the slur usage of "Liberal" in American politics, by supporters of the party that actually was founded on (classical) liberal values.

Just as "gay" no longer means "happy" the meaning of liberal has also changed. Deal with it and accept it in context.