In the News II

Can we be allowed to think that the intention of that article was to mislead? Rxwine fell for it. See also the suspicious remark, "'State policy matters' More Americans die younger in states with conservative policies, study finds" which links to another USA article [below]

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The analysis revealed changing state policies to fully liberal could have saved more than 171,000 lives in 2019, while changing them to fully conservative may have cost over 217,000 lives.

this is a case of USA Today digging up some biased crap from some nutcase ... just totally out there and completely challengeable I have no doubt and no desire to entangle myself with

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/10/26/working-age-american-mortality-rate-state-policies/10594782002/

Quote: odiousgambit

I keep wondering if you are a journalist?

Life expectancy in the US has steadily increased, as we all know. There has been a recent leveling off of this, a short period of decline I believe, due to Covid and Drug deaths. Read the article again, which is actually from USA Today. What has declined is the *ranking* the US has. We have gone from 12th in the world in longevity to much lower. Personally, this concerns me very little.

As for my statement above, see the link, there is a CDC chart about 1/3 of the way down that can't be linked to separately.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data-visualization/mortality-trends/index.htm

It is just a total lefty spin piece. First the headline is wrong and misleading as you have pointed out. These 'facts' are then spun in the conclusions at the end of the article that the right wing states policies are causing 100's of thousand of deaths that could be saved by more woke policies.

Here's an example how the MSM works.

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Quote: odiousgambit

I keep wondering if you are a journalist?

Life expectancy in the US has steadily increased, as we all know. There has been a recent leveling off of this, a short period of decline I believe, due to Covid and Drug deaths. Read the article again, which is actually from USA Today. What has declined is the *ranking* the US has. We have gone from 12th in the world in longevity to much lower. Personally, this concerns me very little.

As for my statement above, see the link, there is a CDC chart about 1/3 of the way down that can't be linked to separately.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data-visualization/mortality-trends/index.htm

This is the link referred to in the article.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2023.307310

It says exactly what I claimed.

Quote: rxwine

This is the link referred to in the article.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2023.307310

It says exactly what I claimed.

well then, I have to conclude that you are a journalist or should have been... as typical, completely unable to report correctly looking at such things as data

selection from what this report says

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Increases in US life expectancy slowed from 1950 to 1954 (0.21 years/annum) and 1955 to 1973

"increases slowed" are still increases

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Growth in US life expectancy was slowest in Midwest and South Central states

slower growth is still growth

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Conclusions. The US life expectancy disadvantage began in the 1950s and has steadily worsened over the past 4 decades. Dozens of globally diverse countries have outperformed the United States. Causal factors appear to have been concentrated in the Midwest and South.

"disadvantage" in ranking, not decrease in life expectancy. This is the focus of the report, which wishes us to "be #1" I guess. Our ranking has dropped, almost bound to happen. In this country we are free to pursue bad lifestyles and we have the money to do it. Other countries are bound to have been improving their general health and well being and some no doubt have done much better about drug use

Nowhere does it say life expectancy has decreased over decades

I see you also declined to look at the CDC chart which should have tipped you off that your conclusion was awry

Anything growing can be declining depending on what you're measuring it against. Your protest is registered. But I wasn't literally or specifically wrong.

Quote: rxwine

Anything growing can be declining depending on what you're measuring it against. Your protest is registered. But I wasn't literally or specifically wrong.

I'm marking this down in my book of remarkable encounters and will say no more about it

Quote: Gandler

Ehhh that applies to most debt I would guess, I don't understand the obsession with student debt. If anything student debt is already held to a different standard because you can't even discharge during BK and it never goes away regardless of how long you don't pay. And, most forgiveness programs require over a decade of payments (and if you miss one you are out of luck).

But if the argument is that most Americans are financially illiterate I would agree.

The "obsession" is manufactured. There is a group in the USA that thinks college should be "free." But we cannot get all those professors to work for free so what they really mean is "college paid for with money stolen at the point of a gun from the general population." (some of you call that "taxes.") So they make it out to be the end of the world that student loan debt must be repaid.

Post-secondary education currently needs to have major change. Lots of colleges need to merge or close. This scares the college-industrial complex. Thus the manufactured "crisis."

Quote: rxwine

Anything growing can be declining depending on what you're measuring it against. Your protest is registered. But I wasn't literally or specifically wrong.

You would have went far in the media of any old Warsaw-Pact country.

US life expectancy peaked in 2014 at 78.9 years. Except for a slight recovery between 2017 and 2019, it has been declining.

Covid and the drug epidemic contributed more than anything else to the decline to the current 76.1 years, but lifestyle is also a contributing factor.

Baby boomers have alarmingly shorter lifespans.