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September 26th, 2024 at 2:29:44 PM permalink
GenoDRPh
Member since: Aug 24, 2023
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Quote: DoubleGold
Countries struggling to survive as they/we import illegals to replace the deaths causing havoc.

The abortion numbers (opportunity cost) compound exponentially in later years due to the loss of producing succeeding generations.

Preventing abortion since 1972 could've easily overcome any national deficit & debt, social security liability, etc.


Too late now (?) but never too late to learn as this one defaults.

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The Economic Cost of Abortion

Ranking Member Mike Lee (R-UT)

Joint Economic Committee Republicans

JUNE 15, 2022
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KEY POINTS


• In recent weeks, U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and other
economists have argued that restricting abortion would
negatively affect the economy, particularly by diminishing the
labor market outcomes of women. These arguments overlook
the far greater economic cost of abortion due to the loss of lives
of the unborn.


• JEC Republicans estimate that the economic cost of abortion in
2019 alone—due to the loss of nearly 630,000 unborn lives—was
at least $6.9 trillion, or 32 percent of GDP.
o This economic cost estimate relies on standard
methodologies used by federal government agencies to
quantify the benefits of policies that affect mortality risks.
We apply the same methodology to abortion, which
increases the risk of mortality to unborn babies.


• JEC Republicans estimate that the economic cost of abortion
due the loss of unborn lives is 425 times larger than the earnings
loss mothers would be expected to incur when having a child.
o Earnings of the average mother fall by approximately
$26,000 over the first six years of her first child’s life. If each
abortion prevents maternal earnings from falling, all
abortions in 2019 could save mothers $16.2 billion in
earnings over the next six years. However, the JEC’s $6.9
trillion cost of abortion estimate far outweighs these
projected earnings benefits.


• Abortion imposes external costs on society not reflected in JEC
Republicans’ $6.9 trillion cost estimate. In the long run, abortion
shrinks the labor force, stunts innovation, and limits economic
growth. It also weakens the solvency of social insurance
programs like Social Security and Medicare that rely on workers
to support a growing elderly population.


• Abortion at its core is a moral issue rather than an economic one.
But even in economic terms, the costs of abortion vastly
outweigh any claimed benefits.
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https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/b8807501-210c-4554-9d72-31de4e939578/the-economic-cost-of-abortion.pdf

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If Mike Lee was so damned concerned, he is welcome to introduce a bill in the Senate that helps relive women of the economic cost of child birth adn child rearing. Where is his bill providing a year's paid family leave for child birth or adoption? Where is his bill providing direct subsidies for child care/day care during working hours? Seems to me spending $16.3 billion to earn $6.9 trillion is an absolute no brainer.
September 26th, 2024 at 2:45:59 PM permalink
DoubleGold
Member since: Jan 26, 2023
Threads: 34
Posts: 4242
Quote: GenoDRPh
If Mike Lee was so damned concerned, he is welcome to introduce a bill in the Senate that helps relive women of the economic cost of child birth adn child rearing. Where is his bill providing a year's paid family leave for child birth or adoption? Where is his bill providing direct subsidies for child care/day care during working hours? Seems to me spending $16.3 billion to earn $6.9 trillion is an absolute no brainer.



That makes sense as long as he was guaranteed no abortions.
September 26th, 2024 at 4:03:40 PM permalink
DoubleGold
Member since: Jan 26, 2023
Threads: 34
Posts: 4242
Abortion has financially crushed us.


I believe it's already too late to do anything about it, unless we want to import the entire population of Africa.

The economic damage has been done and I see no reversal in the future.

It's important to learn this lesson with the next country they incorporate, as we default.



Links are provided in the linked source but each could have been scrubbed.

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The Economic Truth About Abortion-On-Demand:
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from The Movement for a Better America - "Economic Impact of Abortion" - $45 trillion damages; loss of life = 73 largest U.S. cities; other nations suffering; more.

from Canada Free Press - "The Economic Disaster Inflicted by Abortion: Roe v Wade as Financial Holocaust" - Since Roe v. Wade, America missing over $27 trillion in federal tax revenues from aborted workers, not even counting state tax losses.

from LifeSiteNews - "Researcher: Abortion is $38.5 Trillion Drag on the Economy" - $38.5 trillion in lost U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) since 1970; main reason for collapse of former Soviet Union was economic, i.e., 300 abortions for every 100 live births for decades; meanwhile, Muslim population exploding at 5X-6X rate of others.

from LifeNews - "Researcher: Abortions Cost Economy $35 Trillion Since 1970 in Lost Productivity" - Actual loss is more like $70 trillion when including all the babies lost to IUDs, RU-486, sterilization, and abortifacients; Using the federal EPA figures and calculations ($7.8 million per human life), the economic losses are $390 trillion.

from Right to Life of Michigan - "Destroying our Future" - Abortion destroys the entitlement programs, harms innovation, and costs $2.66 trillion/year in lost GDP.

from RenewAmerica - "America! Beware the Jabberwock!" - 55.3 million abortions have caused a cumulative GDP loss of at least $50 trillion; Double that if you include the impact of more aggressive birth control; Damages per different demographics.

from Issues4Life Foundation - "Obamacare: Fast Track To Economic Suicide" - Every child aborted will cost about $23 million in future GDP over a lifetime; By 2040 to 2050, that is cumulative GDP losses of $335 to $500 trillion dollars from abortion.

from Physicians For Life - "Economic Cost of Abortion" - Abortion has already cost us more than $40 Trillion in lost GDP; $202 billion in lost taxes per year as of 2012.

from American Life League - "The Economic Impact of Abortion" - Abortion has cost an estimated $45 trillion in lost GDP; That loss is growing by $2.5 trillion/year.

from Northern Colorado Gazette - "Website Reveals Economic Cost of Abortion" - The total number of deaths from surgical abortions equals the entire population of the 129 largest cities in the U.S.; When chemical abortions are factored in, the death toll increases to the entire population of the country’s nine (9) most populous states.

from Rick Santorum - "Abortion to Blame for Some Social Security Problems" - He blames part of the insolvency problems related to Social Security on abortion losses.

from the United Nations - "World Population Ageing 2009" - Report finds that the global trend of fertility decline and population aging will have devastating economic and societal effects on the developing world, particularly upon women who are now targeted by UN agencies to further reduce fertility; The situation is already critical.

from Chicago Tribune - "Abortion's Cost" - Just considering the (lost) adult years from 21 to 65 (abortions), that adds up to $21.4 trillion in lost disposable income.

from National Right to Life - "Abortion No Stimulus for Economy" - Shows whole industries benefit from, and sometimes even depend on, the existence of a steady population of newborns, which fuels the job needs for more farmers, teachers, bus drivers, and etc., and who grow up to become workers and taxpayers, themselves.

from Pithocrates - "Abortion and Birth Control are Bankrupting Social Security and Medicare" - In a current 10-year projection we are now seeing anywhere from $1.8 trillion to $3.7 trillion in lost tax revenues, every fiscal year, due solely to birth loss.

from Asia Sentinel - "Taiwan's Astonishing Abortion Rate" - Taiwan's low birthrate has economically impacted their nation hard, and was therefore recently declared a national security issue by President Ma Ying-Jeou; Fertility rate lowest in the world.

from Human Life International - "Facts of Life: The Demographic Impacts of Abortion" - The direct loss of life caused by abortion exceeds that of all of America's wars put together, not only in preborn baby deaths and injuries to women, but also in lost wages, consumed services and goods, and taxes, totalling $169.6 trillion.

from The New York Times - "The Problems of a Graying Population" - The heart of the problem is arithmetical: The post-World War II social welfare state, created at a moment when the baby boom was still gestating, is built upon a generational Ponzi scheme; As life expectancy increases and fertility declines, that population pyramid is being inverted; In some countries, that is causing the entire economy to topple.

from the Vatican - "World Recession Caused by Low Birthrate" - The origin of the world crisis is not in the banks or finance; The banks and financial firms helped to aggravate the crisis, trying to compensate for big problems that were already there, namely, the continual decline in worldwide economic development (due to worldwide abortion rates), which some also tried to camouflage through financial instruments.

from Centennial Institute - "What Five Decades of Abortion Have Cost America" - The numerous social and economic consequences of abortion are both tremendous and profound; They are increasingly felt within the businesses, schools, and families of the United States; The architects of the Social Security retirement system did not anticipate the future legalization of abortion and that economic skew upon America.

from Live Action News - "The Economic Effect of Abortion" - According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Social Security Administration, Guttmacher Institute, and National Center for Health Statistics, if abortion had never been legalized in 1973, more than 17 million people would be employed, resulting in an additional $400 billion from those workers, with $11 billion contributed to Medicare and $47 million contributed to Social Security; Worldwide, birthrates have decreased from 6.0 in 1972 to about 2.9 nowadays; Europe already hit; China faces an imminent bubble.

from Economics For Everybody - "The Economic Curse of Abortion and the 2012 Election" - The death of tens of millions of producers and consumers alongside the loss of tens of millions of their potential children creates an economic black hole that slowly and inevitably sucks a society into it; Japan, a nation with legal abortion on demand since 1948, is the epitome of the modern, industrialized nation but without enough workers to support a growing economy in light of the mountain of retirees.

from NPR - "After A Forced Abortion, A Roaring Debate In China" - China's one-child policy is more than just a human rights issue; Increasingly, Chinese scholars saying birth restrictions are creating a demographic disaster that will leave China with far fewer workers to drive its economy and a disproportionately large number of elderly to care for; Predictions of soaring costs and stagnating economy, plus other issues.

from The New York Times - "Reports of Forced Abortions Fuel Push to End Chinese Law" - Economists say that China’s aging population and dwindling pool of young, cheap labor will be a significant factor in slowing the nation’s economic growth rate; An aging working population is resulting in a labor shortage, a less innovative and less energetic economy, and a more difficult path to perform industrial upgrading.

from Catholic Online - "Throwing Out the Economy with the Baby" - No matter how you slice it, aggressive 'population control' exacts a huge price in future economic growth that can never be recovered; Indeed, it is a loss that reverberates through all future generations; Without an enormous new Baby Boom lasting another 40 or 50 years, that growth is lost forever; During the U.S. economic downturn of 1989-1994, economies recovered the fastest in those states with lowest abortion rates.

and, the list just keeps going on and on, and on, and on....
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http://fundamentalerror.com/economictruth.html

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September 26th, 2024 at 8:15:14 PM permalink
GenoDRPh
Member since: Aug 24, 2023
Threads: 5
Posts: 2834
Quote: DoubleGold
Abortion has financially crushed us.


I believe it's already too late to do anything about it, unless we want to import the entire population of Africa.

The economic damage has been done and I see no reversal in the future.

It's important to learn this lesson with the next country they incorporate, as we default.



Links are provided in the linked source but each could have been scrubbed.

-------------------

The Economic Truth About Abortion-On-Demand:
.
.
.
from The Movement for a Better America - "Economic Impact of Abortion" - $45 trillion damages; loss of life = 73 largest U.S. cities; other nations suffering; more.

from Canada Free Press - "The Economic Disaster Inflicted by Abortion: Roe v Wade as Financial Holocaust" - Since Roe v. Wade, America missing over $27 trillion in federal tax revenues from aborted workers, not even counting state tax losses.

from LifeSiteNews - "Researcher: Abortion is $38.5 Trillion Drag on the Economy" - $38.5 trillion in lost U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) since 1970; main reason for collapse of former Soviet Union was economic, i.e., 300 abortions for every 100 live births for decades; meanwhile, Muslim population exploding at 5X-6X rate of others.

from LifeNews - "Researcher: Abortions Cost Economy $35 Trillion Since 1970 in Lost Productivity" - Actual loss is more like $70 trillion when including all the babies lost to IUDs, RU-486, sterilization, and abortifacients; Using the federal EPA figures and calculations ($7.8 million per human life), the economic losses are $390 trillion.

from Right to Life of Michigan - "Destroying our Future" - Abortion destroys the entitlement programs, harms innovation, and costs $2.66 trillion/year in lost GDP.

from RenewAmerica - "America! Beware the Jabberwock!" - 55.3 million abortions have caused a cumulative GDP loss of at least $50 trillion; Double that if you include the impact of more aggressive birth control; Damages per different demographics.

from Issues4Life Foundation - "Obamacare: Fast Track To Economic Suicide" - Every child aborted will cost about $23 million in future GDP over a lifetime; By 2040 to 2050, that is cumulative GDP losses of $335 to $500 trillion dollars from abortion.

from Physicians For Life - "Economic Cost of Abortion" - Abortion has already cost us more than $40 Trillion in lost GDP; $202 billion in lost taxes per year as of 2012.

from American Life League - "The Economic Impact of Abortion" - Abortion has cost an estimated $45 trillion in lost GDP; That loss is growing by $2.5 trillion/year.

from Northern Colorado Gazette - "Website Reveals Economic Cost of Abortion" - The total number of deaths from surgical abortions equals the entire population of the 129 largest cities in the U.S.; When chemical abortions are factored in, the death toll increases to the entire population of the country’s nine (9) most populous states.

from Rick Santorum - "Abortion to Blame for Some Social Security Problems" - He blames part of the insolvency problems related to Social Security on abortion losses.

from the United Nations - "World Population Ageing 2009" - Report finds that the global trend of fertility decline and population aging will have devastating economic and societal effects on the developing world, particularly upon women who are now targeted by UN agencies to further reduce fertility; The situation is already critical.

from Chicago Tribune - "Abortion's Cost" - Just considering the (lost) adult years from 21 to 65 (abortions), that adds up to $21.4 trillion in lost disposable income.

from National Right to Life - "Abortion No Stimulus for Economy" - Shows whole industries benefit from, and sometimes even depend on, the existence of a steady population of newborns, which fuels the job needs for more farmers, teachers, bus drivers, and etc., and who grow up to become workers and taxpayers, themselves.

from Pithocrates - "Abortion and Birth Control are Bankrupting Social Security and Medicare" - In a current 10-year projection we are now seeing anywhere from $1.8 trillion to $3.7 trillion in lost tax revenues, every fiscal year, due solely to birth loss.

from Asia Sentinel - "Taiwan's Astonishing Abortion Rate" - Taiwan's low birthrate has economically impacted their nation hard, and was therefore recently declared a national security issue by President Ma Ying-Jeou; Fertility rate lowest in the world.

from Human Life International - "Facts of Life: The Demographic Impacts of Abortion" - The direct loss of life caused by abortion exceeds that of all of America's wars put together, not only in preborn baby deaths and injuries to women, but also in lost wages, consumed services and goods, and taxes, totalling $169.6 trillion.

from The New York Times - "The Problems of a Graying Population" - The heart of the problem is arithmetical: The post-World War II social welfare state, created at a moment when the baby boom was still gestating, is built upon a generational Ponzi scheme; As life expectancy increases and fertility declines, that population pyramid is being inverted; In some countries, that is causing the entire economy to topple.

from the Vatican - "World Recession Caused by Low Birthrate" - The origin of the world crisis is not in the banks or finance; The banks and financial firms helped to aggravate the crisis, trying to compensate for big problems that were already there, namely, the continual decline in worldwide economic development (due to worldwide abortion rates), which some also tried to camouflage through financial instruments.

from Centennial Institute - "What Five Decades of Abortion Have Cost America" - The numerous social and economic consequences of abortion are both tremendous and profound; They are increasingly felt within the businesses, schools, and families of the United States; The architects of the Social Security retirement system did not anticipate the future legalization of abortion and that economic skew upon America.

from Live Action News - "The Economic Effect of Abortion" - According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Social Security Administration, Guttmacher Institute, and National Center for Health Statistics, if abortion had never been legalized in 1973, more than 17 million people would be employed, resulting in an additional $400 billion from those workers, with $11 billion contributed to Medicare and $47 million contributed to Social Security; Worldwide, birthrates have decreased from 6.0 in 1972 to about 2.9 nowadays; Europe already hit; China faces an imminent bubble.

from Economics For Everybody - "The Economic Curse of Abortion and the 2012 Election" - The death of tens of millions of producers and consumers alongside the loss of tens of millions of their potential children creates an economic black hole that slowly and inevitably sucks a society into it; Japan, a nation with legal abortion on demand since 1948, is the epitome of the modern, industrialized nation but without enough workers to support a growing economy in light of the mountain of retirees.

from NPR - "After A Forced Abortion, A Roaring Debate In China" - China's one-child policy is more than just a human rights issue; Increasingly, Chinese scholars saying birth restrictions are creating a demographic disaster that will leave China with far fewer workers to drive its economy and a disproportionately large number of elderly to care for; Predictions of soaring costs and stagnating economy, plus other issues.

from The New York Times - "Reports of Forced Abortions Fuel Push to End Chinese Law" - Economists say that China’s aging population and dwindling pool of young, cheap labor will be a significant factor in slowing the nation’s economic growth rate; An aging working population is resulting in a labor shortage, a less innovative and less energetic economy, and a more difficult path to perform industrial upgrading.

from Catholic Online - "Throwing Out the Economy with the Baby" - No matter how you slice it, aggressive 'population control' exacts a huge price in future economic growth that can never be recovered; Indeed, it is a loss that reverberates through all future generations; Without an enormous new Baby Boom lasting another 40 or 50 years, that growth is lost forever; During the U.S. economic downturn of 1989-1994, economies recovered the fastest in those states with lowest abortion rates.

and, the list just keeps going on and on, and on, and on....
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http://fundamentalerror.com/economictruth.html

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Anyone who thinks the pro-life, anti-choice position is better economically than pro-choice, is welcome to subsidize pre-natal and obstetric healthcare as well as child care and child rearing. Put your money where your mouth is.
September 27th, 2024 at 2:23:12 AM permalink
Tanko
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
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Quote: rxwine
Yup, I can only find 1%. And you can find how many?


The other 99% don't want to risk being canceled.

Don't forget their lying 51 "Intelligence experts" including former National Intelligence Director James Clapper, who signed a public letter stating Hunter Biden's laptop was 'Russian disinformation'.

Clapper also lied before Congress.

Then Hunter admitted in court, the laptop was his.
September 27th, 2024 at 2:26:37 AM permalink
DoubleGold
Member since: Jan 26, 2023
Threads: 34
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Quote: GenoDRPh
Anyone who thinks the pro-life, anti-choice position is better economically than pro-choice, is welcome to subsidize pre-natal and obstetric healthcare as well as child care and child rearing. Put your money where your mouth is.



Why would I support a handout I had to work for to get?


So you want me to mow the grass in my yard and your yard.

Mow your own yard.


Now if you were mentally ill or handicapped, I'd consider mowing your yard along with my yard.

But when you demand it, I can answer now, no.
September 27th, 2024 at 3:24:54 AM permalink
DoubleGold
Member since: Jan 26, 2023
Threads: 34
Posts: 4242
Let this be a lesson learned because we can't bring those "compounded" economic producers back.

The statements by Chelsea below are worse than being a corn farmer, losing a crop, and then brag it was a good year.



Now we're over $35 trillion in debt and climbing very fast.

It's not sustainable nor are the other Ponzi schemes like Social Security.

Those Ponzi schemes were designed without considering abortion.



When Chelsea stated the following, we were about $20 trillion in debt.

So in about six years, we've financed $15 trillion more while repeating the same abortion mistake.

We already couldn't pay back the $20 trillion without the aborted producers being "compounded".



The debt & liability are a direct result of the opportunity cost of abortion.



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Chelsea Clinton claims abortions added “trillions” to the U.S. economy… huh?

08/24/2018
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At a recent pro-abortion event, "Rise Up For Roe," in New York City, Chelsea Clinton declared that the advent of legalized abortion has been great for the economy. So great, in fact, that the young Clinton credited baby-killing for the $3.5 trillion American women contributed to the economy between the years of 1970 and 2009. As if women couldn't be contributors to the world without Roe vs Wade, Clinton assumes that the success of women in America is "not disconnected" from the controversial 1973 legislation.

Clinton reportedly stated, "It is not a disconnect fact that American Women entering the labor force from 1970 to 2009 added $3.5 trillion dollars to our economy. The net, new entrance of women, that is not disconnected from the fact that Roe became the law of the land in January of 1973."

"So, whatever it is that people say they care about, I think you can connect to this issue. Of course I would hope that they would care about our equal rights and dignity to make our own choices, but if that is not sufficiently persuasive hopefully some of these other arguments you are hearing expressed so beautifully, will be," the monologue continued.
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https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-08-24-chelsea-clinton-claims-abortions-added-trillions-to-the-u-s-economy-huh.html

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September 27th, 2024 at 5:20:18 AM permalink
GenoDRPh
Member since: Aug 24, 2023
Threads: 5
Posts: 2834
Quote: Tanko
The other 99% don't want to risk being canceled.

Don't forget their lying 51 "Intelligence experts" including former National Intelligence Director James Clapper, who signed a public letter stating Hunter Biden's laptop was 'Russian disinformation'.

Clapper also lied before Congress.

Then Hunter admitted in court, the laptop was his.


They didn't say the laptop *was* Russian disinfo, the said it had the hallmarks of Russian disinfo. They also said they didn't know whether or not it was Russian disinfo.
September 27th, 2024 at 5:21:41 AM permalink
GenoDRPh
Member since: Aug 24, 2023
Threads: 5
Posts: 2834
Quote: DoubleGold
Why would I support a handout I had to work for to get?


So you want me to mow the grass in my yard and your yard.

Mow your own yard.


Now if you were mentally ill or handicapped, I'd consider mowing your yard along with my yard.

But when you demand it, I can answer now, no.


Good. Then STFU about women who terminate their pregnancies over financial concerns, if they think they cant afford to raise a child. It isn't your call, and will never be. Unless, of course, you're the one who is pregnant.
September 27th, 2024 at 5:57:15 AM permalink
DoubleGold
Member since: Jan 26, 2023
Threads: 34
Posts: 4242
Quote: GenoDRPh
Good. Then STFU about women who terminate their pregnancies over financial concerns, if they think they cant afford to raise a child. It isn't your call, and will never be. Unless, of course, you're the one who is pregnant.



If the national debt structure and other Ponzi schemes accounted for abortion, we wouldn't be in this situation of defaulting.


So either one of the following should have already occurred years ago:


Account for all the abortions financially

and / or

Stop the abortions


Like I stated, I believe it's too late to address.

But sure, you can demand for me to mow your yard and I will continue to say no.

Mow your own yard.