Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade?

Quote: missedhervee

Oklahoma is about to adopt a new restrictive anti-abortion law that bars abortion from the instant of conception.

If raped, you must report the rape to law enforcement as a condition precedent to getting an abortion.

So this effectively stops abortion in Oklahoma and there is a real question whether it will ban birth control as well.

It will not hold up to the new SCOTUS ruling.

Birth control is under the FDA.

So you need not throw a hissy fit.

Quote: AZDuffman

Not at all. The pro-abortion crowd already votes Democrat. Reality is that abortion is not the top issue for most people. $6.00 gas will be what drives the midterms.

I think we can ignore midterm prognostications from people who still don’t even know the results of the 2020 election.

Quote: AZDuffman

The mandates are there. If a woman wants to get on birth control she can do so. If she thinks it failed there is the morning after pill. If she misses that she can still abort early in the pregnancy in pretty much all states.

All that is happening is some states realize that tearing a baby to shreds late in the pregnancy is not the right thing to do. Democrats support killing the baby at the minute of birth.

Can you cite one Democratic politician or appointee at the Federal Level (or even State) that supports terminating a baby post birth? That is pure fear mongering.

The only debate is how many weeks is it fair to allow which ranges from 8-30. The problem is there are some states with zero weeks which will go into effect immediately after Roe is reversed. So the idea that anyone can easily get an abortion the first few weeks is wrong for a number of reasons. (Also, many women do not even know they are pregnant for close to two months, so even an 8 week cutoff gives very little decision time in a best case scenario).

There is just so much wrong with your train of thought, especially for somebody who believes in "total medical freedom" .....

But, at the end of the day, only women should have a say on abortion rules (and I would guess if you just poll women, that vast majority would get even higher).

For the record, I also support the "male abortion" (before people get into sexist arguments) if a nonmarried couple has an activity that causes a woman to get pregnant, the man should have the right to issue an order from a court that he will not be involved, named, or liable (before birth), and then the woman can decide the course of action. Of course, this must be done BEFORE birth (unless it can be proven that the woman had intentionally tried to hide the pregnancy from you and you had no knowledge). Obviously if you are married, legal obligations automatically incur, so women still have the final say. But, no unmarried person should incur unwanted obligations, and there needs to be legal and medical remedies in place.

Quote: Gandler

Can you cite one Democratic politician or appointee at the Federal Level (or even State) that supports terminating a baby post birth? That is pure fear mongering.

Plenty support partial birth abortion which is exactly what it says. Deliver the baby feet first but keep the head in then kill it.

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The only debate is how many weeks is it fair to allow which ranges from 8-30. The problem is there are some states with zero weeks which will go into effect immediately after Roe is reversed. So the idea that anyone can easily get an abortion the first few weeks is wrong for a number of reasons. (Also, many women do not even know they are pregnant for close to two months, so even an 8 week cutoff gives very little decision time in a best case scenario).

Let me explain it again. Overturning Roe does not mean it will go to "0 weeks." Everything indicates it will just shorten things to get in tune with the better medical tech we have now vs 50 years ago. No law with "0 weeks" has survived to SCOTUS.

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But, at the end of the day, only women should have a say on abortion rules (and I would guess if you just poll women, that vast majority would get even higher).

They do have a say. They can vote for the pols that pass the laws. Although per Hillary Clinton many vote the way their husbands tell them to I guess.

Quote: AZDuffman

Plenty support partial birth abortion which is exactly what it says. Deliver the baby feet first but keep the head in then kill it.



Let me explain it again. Overturning Roe does not mean it will go to "0 weeks." Everything indicates it will just shorten things to get in tune with the better medical tech we have now vs 50 years ago. No law with "0 weeks" has survived to SCOTUS.



They do have a say. They can vote for the pols that pass the laws. Although per Hillary Clinton many vote the way their husbands tell them to I guess.

What is your definition of partial birth abortions? Because I am guessing it is not "during deliver" (virtually all are under 30 weeks). And, the procedure you mention is not during delivery, but the abortion mechanism (or one of) for that level of development. Nobody, (again I would challenge you to cite one) wants to terminate a baby during or after actual delivery.


As for the weeks, yes, there are many States where if federal restrictions are lifted will result in "absolute zero" (no abortion of any kind). And, before you backtrack to the morning after pill, some States will be able to ban morning after pills if restrictions are lifted (many religious people are against these).

Look at countries that ban birth control and abortion. These are not countries that anyone would want to live in..... (And all are based on religious grounds).

We are a secular country, we should not have laws designed for zealots.

Quote: Gandler

What is your definition of partial birth abortions? Because I am guessing it is not "during deliver" (virtually all are under 30 weeks). And, the procedure you mention is not during delivery, but the abortion mechanism (or one of) for that level of development. Nobody, (again I would challenge you to cite one) wants to terminate a baby during or after actual delivery.

My definition is THE definition. Labor is induced and induced for a breach delivery. All but the head is delivered. A vacuum sucks the brains out to kill the infant.

When you support the Democrats and their unlimited abortion, this is one of the things you are supporting.

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As for the weeks, yes, there are many States where if federal restrictions are lifted will result in "absolute zero" (no abortion of any kind). And, before you backtrack to the morning after pill, some States will be able to ban morning after pills if restrictions are lifted (many religious people are against these).

Again, the FDA regulates drugs. A state law to ban morning after will not hold up. Nor will "absolute zero." SCOTUS will just narrow Roe limits. Quit listening to crazy feminists who love abortion and think logically.

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Look at countries that ban birth control and abortion. These are not countries that anyone would want to live in..... (And all are based on religious grounds).

We are a secular country, we should not have laws designed for zealots.

Secular has nothing to do with it. We should have laws designed for human decency. A high abortion rate correlates with countries you do not want to live in.

Quote: AZDuffman

My definition is THE definition. Labor is induced and induced for a breach delivery. All but the head is delivered. A vacuum sucks the brains out to kill the infant.

When you support the Democrats and their unlimited abortion, this is one of the things you are supporting.




Again, the FDA regulates drugs. A state law to ban morning after will not hold up. Nor will "absolute zero." SCOTUS will just narrow Roe limits. Quit listening to crazy feminists who love abortion and think logically.



Secular has nothing to do with it. We should have laws designed for human decency. A high abortion rate correlates with countries you do not want to live in.

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That is objectively false.

Countries with more abortion rights correlate to higher standards of living, and higher median of education



There is no medical definition of partial birth abortion, it is a legal term from some Christian based laws.

This is the closest:
https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/partial+birth+abortion

"Partial birth abortion, or IDX, is performed to end a pregnancy in the mid to late second trimester. It is typically performed between weeks 19 and 26 of pregnancy." Again the "Partial Birth" part originated from a Christian anti-abortion campaign, its not based in historical medicine.


You do not realize the amount of crazy States that we have (especially in the South) that are basically run by Christians, if you do not think some (forget many) will strive to ban BC and morning after pills like Christian countries in Africa have, you are not living in reality.

Question, can you take an organ from a corpse to save a life without prior consent from the recently alive person?

I don't think you can in any state in the union. But you can force a LIVE woman to use all of hers for months.

I think the answer is simple. Self induced miscarriage.

Punch yourself in the gut a few times and the problem is solved. Everybody tries to complicate everything.

Quote: DRich

I think the answer is simple. Self induced miscarriage. Punch yourself in the gut a few times and the problem is solved. Everybody tries to complicate everything.

Brilliant!

Better yet, nip the problem in the bud.

Republican legislators need to get behind a bill that says whenever a man wants to have sex with a woman she must first kick him in the balls as hard as she can.