Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade?

May 10th, 2022 at 3:55:40 PM permalink
rxwine
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Not really.

My point is the 13 year old should not be having sex. She should be educated how being a single mom is a road to poverty. How it will rob her of a normal teenage life. We need to stop glamorizing teen moms and single mothers.

What should not be doing is saying, "you are going to do it anyhow so here are some condoms."



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Dutch families hardly blink at the permanent Teen Facts display. There, guests of any age can put their arms in tongue puppets to mimic French kissing. They can learn about hormones, mood swings, and zits. Guests can peer into a tank of white ooze representing a lifetime’s manufacture of semen, then settle in to watch a giant cartoon, on loop, in which a boy and a girl traverse puberty side by side.

Behind a velvet curtain for patrons ages 12 and older, there’s more: a video about orgasms (faces only), a display of novelty condoms and old-fashioned birth-control methods, and a shelf of wooden mannequins glued together in zoo-like acts from the Kama Sutra. On the wall, a guide to good sex printed in Dutch and English encourages plenty of educational “solo sex” and honest partner communication: “Tell or guide your partner around your body. Don’t worry about losing control ... Your pleasure is your partner’s delight.”

Over the past 30 years, more and more American sex-ed classrooms have shifted toward abstinence-only messages and away from more effective curriculums. Yet, over that same time period, Dutch sex education—in classrooms, but also in public spaces like Nemo—has gotten progressively more comprehensive, and the Netherlands now outperforms most countries on various global metrics for sexual-health outcomes. On average, Dutch and American teenagers have sex for the first time around the same age—between 17 and 18—but with dramatically different results. Teen pregnancy has been on the decline in the U.S. for the past three decades, but American teenagers still give birth at five times the rate of their Dutch peers, who also have fewer abortions. In the United States, people under 25 make up half of all new STI cases each year, while young people in the Netherlands account for 10 percent of new cases in the country. Socially, sex is different, too: Sexually active young people in Holland sleep around less, communicate more often with their partners about their likes and dislikes, and report higher rates of sexual satisfaction.

When sex ed discusses gender inequality, sex gets safer.

Research shows that starting sex ed early can help prevent unwanted pregnancies and even sexual abuse later down the road. For the U.S., where talking about human sexuality, particularly with kids, is still in many ways taboo, the Netherlands provides a useful reminder of how robust sex education, and a comfort with seeing and speaking about sex and bodies, can pay major dividends.

In the Netherlands, younger children commonly play naked outdoors and in public wading pools. In doctors’ offices, Dutch parents can access health guidelines encouraging them to support babies and children who want to explore their own bodies. While today’s recommended script for an American adult catching a kid with a hand in their pants is “it’s okay in private,” it’s accepted in the Netherlands that privacy isn’t always practical in the early stages of physical self-discovery (or even a concept kids understand). Many Dutch parents and even teachers permit children to play “doctor” or other show-me games together, as long as children follow set rules: mutual agreement, no hurting, and respect for boundaries. In contrast, American experts usually say such play should be stopped. As kids get older and teen romance blooms, instead of forbidding sex, it’s common for Dutch parents to keep open lines of communication with their children, supporting them in decision making and preparedness.






Since 2012, the Dutch education minister has mandated that all students, beginning in primary school, receive some form of sexuality education that includes lessons on health, tolerance, and assertiveness. The core objectives are to prevent sexual coercion, crossed boundaries, and homophobic behavior, as well as to promote inclusion. And new research confirms that students who receive comprehensive sexuality education in school—that is, lessons on sexual diversity and inclusiveness in addition to biological lessons—are less likely to engage in name calling and more willing to intervene when a LGBTQ or female peer is bullied in school.

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May 10th, 2022 at 4:05:33 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Not really.

My point is the 13 year old should not be having sex. She should be educated how being a single mom is a road to poverty. How it will rob her of a normal teenage life. We need to stop glamorizing teen moms and single mothers.

What should not be doing is saying, "you are going to do it anyhow so here are some condoms."


The Dutch have extremely liberal and early sex education with rather explicit exhibits to observe. While the kids have sex at about the same age as American kids, they have 5 times fewer pregnancies and fewer abortions.
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May 10th, 2022 at 4:07:12 PM permalink
missedhervee
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The notion that teens should not have sex is unnatural.

Back in "the old days" women regularly started having babies shortly after they began to menstruate: I ask "What has changed?"

Let the kids bang, blow and suck each other all they want, it's nature's gift, "the little ease."

Of course birth control should be part of their program as well, and if they screw up and get pregnant go see the abortionist.

Hello, personal freedom; adios, hidebound religious dogma.

God is dead: let's act accordingly.
May 10th, 2022 at 4:19:06 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Not really.

My point is the 13 year old should not be having sex. She should be educated how being a single mom is a road to poverty. How it will rob her of a normal teenage life. We need to stop glamorizing teen moms and single mothers.

What should not be doing is saying, "you are going to do it anyhow so here are some condoms."


The Dutch have extremely liberal and explicit sex education that starts young. Their teens start having sex about the same age as American kids but have 5 times fewer pregnancies and fewer abortions.
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
May 10th, 2022 at 4:56:41 PM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: AZDuffman
Not really.

My point is the 13 year old should not be having sex. She should be educated how being a single mom is a road to poverty. How it will rob her of a normal teenage life. We need to stop glamorizing teen moms and single mothers.
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What should not be doing is saying, "you are going to do it anyhow so here are some condoms."


The Dutch have extremely early and explicit education and their teens have 5 times fewer pregnancies and fewer abortions.
"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.
May 10th, 2022 at 5:12:09 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: missedhervee
The notion that teens should not have sex is unnatural.

Back in "the old days" women regularly started having babies shortly after they began to menstruate: I ask "What has changed?"

Let the kids bang, blow and suck each other all they want, it's nature's gift, "the little ease."

Of course birth control should be part of their program as well, and if they screw up and get pregnant go see the abortionist.

Hello, personal freedom; adios, hidebound religious dogma.

God is dead: let's act accordingly.


Sounds like the Roman Empire in its most serious decline period. Not the kind of place good people would want to live in.
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May 10th, 2022 at 5:52:37 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: AZDuffman
Sounds like the Roman Empire in its most serious decline period. Not the kind of place good people would want to live in.


LOL

Define "good people."
May 10th, 2022 at 6:39:45 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: AZDuffman
Sounds like the Roman Empire in its most serious decline period. Not the kind of place good people would want to live in.


Kind of ironic because the fall of Rome also correlates with the expansion of Christianity (some even blame this directly for its downfall), so I guess it's downfall was based on Christian Values?

(I don't actually think this, it's a sarcastic comment, the downfall of Rome is very complicated, to include labor shortages, debt, heavy military spending with no actual stopping the Germanic invaders, and border insecurity, and perhaps most importantly spittling of Rome into seperate nations East and West Rome).
May 10th, 2022 at 9:45:15 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Gandler
perhaps most importantly spittling of Rome into seperate nations East and West Rome).


spittling of Roman Empire into seperate empires Eastern and Western Roman Empire


You make it sound like the city was split.
May 11th, 2022 at 2:55:28 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: missedhervee
LOL

Define "good people."



Well, good people would not think "Let the kids bang, blow and suck each other all they want, it's nature's gift, "the little ease."" is a good idea. And they would not be in favor of teaching kids that while thinking teaching them religion is the end of the world.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength