OK, now what?

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May 25th, 2021 at 7:00:52 AM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: missedhervee
A quick google shows there is currently a wind powered EV on the road.

https://www.iamrenew.com/green-transportation/meet-eolo-wind-powered-ev-colombia/

At this point the wind power only adds ten percent to its range, but the tech is new, crude, and fertile for development and refinement.

It's real, and it's here now.



I have no problem believing it could extend the range (that is not the same as saying it was more efficient). You take some of the energy you created to propel the car and use it to charge the battery. It doesn't change the laws of physics and mean you can ever get to 100%. It would be like a hybrid vehicle never needing to be charged, but unlike a hybrid the wind generator is not using what is normally wasted energy. The vehicle must produce the power to turn the wind generator.
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May 25th, 2021 at 10:40:23 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: kenarman

I have no problem believing it could extend the range (that is not the same as saying it was more efficient). You take some of the energy you created to propel the car and use it to charge the battery. It doesn't change the laws of physics and mean you can ever get to 100%. It would be like a hybrid vehicle never needing to be charged, but unlike a hybrid the wind generator is not using what is normally wasted energy. The vehicle must produce the power to turn the wind generator.


EVs already recapture "extra" energy thru their brakes. A windmill inside the grille would be less efficient and redundant.
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May 25th, 2021 at 11:28:47 AM permalink
missedhervee
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Dunno how redundant it would be once emerging technology focuses on such things: there wil likely be significant improvements in design and efficiency which could lead to wide spread implementation.

Time will tell.
May 25th, 2021 at 12:17:51 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: missedhervee
Dunno how redundant it would be once emerging technology focuses on such things: there wil likely be significant improvements in design and efficiency which could lead to wide spread implementation.

Time will tell.


Until the laws of physics change a windmill to generate energy on an EV going down the highway will not happen. Same as solar panels will never work at night.
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May 25th, 2021 at 1:22:37 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Until the laws of physics change a windmill to generate energy on an EV going down the highway will not happen. Same as solar panels will never work at night.


You just put a big mirror in Space and reflect the sun to a solar array on the night side of Erarth.
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June 2nd, 2021 at 12:00:06 PM permalink
rxwine
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Here's a good example of untapped sources of power. You can do things with computer control never possible in the past.


City of Hillsboro, Oregon is using micro generation of power. They replaced pressure reducing valves normally used in water systems and generate power instead to alleviate the pressure.

Quote:
(01) Gravity is used to rapidly push Hillsboro’s drinking water through large pipes from the treatment plant in Forest Grove to Hillsboro. That high pressure must then be reduced to make it appropriate for smaller water pipes in homes and businesses.

(02) Normally, HWD uses pressure reducing valves that simply “burn off” the pressure as heat that dissipates into the air.

(03) The In-PRV pressure recovery valve is a micro-hydro turbine combined with pressure control that instead converts excess pressure into electricity that is fed to the power grid.

(04) Sensors and software allow the Hillsboro Water Department to monitor pressure, flow and electricity production 24/7. Precise pressure management helps save water and extend the life of the pipeline.

(05) This In-PRV system will generate up to 200,000 kWh of electricity per year or more to help power lights, concessions and EV charging stations at the stadium.


https://www.hillsboro-oregon.gov/our-city/departments/water/conservation-sustainability/in-pipe-hydro-electric
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June 2nd, 2021 at 12:23:16 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: rxwine
You just put a big mirror in Space and reflect the sun to a solar array on the night side of Erarth.


Yes, that is a good notion and a staple of sci-fi authors.

One problem: weaponization.

Imagine if terrorists or hackers gained control, and decided to focus on whomever?

Maybe not so bright of an idea after all?
June 2nd, 2021 at 12:40:29 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: missedhervee
Yes, that is a good notion and a staple of sci-fi authors.

One problem: weaponization.

Imagine if terrorists or hackers gained control, and decided to focus on whomever?

Maybe not so bright of an idea after all?


Can't be much worse than a decent size truck bomb, and we likely already have satellite killers if worse comes to worse. I don't think one giant mirror would be good idea anyway. You don't want the enemy to be able to destroy too big a hub of anything and cripple more than a small area of geography. You have to spread out your vulnerbilities.
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June 5th, 2021 at 12:40:24 PM permalink
odiousgambit
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No one mentioned 'frozen' hydrocarbons* in the ocean deeps. If we ever figure out how to economically recover this, it would provide enough energy for perhaps centuries to come. The actual amount of it is unknown. It may require a re-evaluation of the problem of releasing more carbon into the atmosphere, or may only require China getting the know-how, I predict, as I believe they actually don't give a hoot about that. 

Quote: link
Recent estimates ... suggest the global inventory [is] 500–2500 gigatonnes carbon...  substantially larger than the ~230 Gt C estimated for other natural gas sources


'ice' that burns



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate

*frozen is a handy but inaccurate term
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July 30th, 2022 at 10:40:21 AM permalink
missedhervee
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