Every Lie Has a How and Why
October 21st, 2020 at 8:13:40 PM permalink | |
redietz Member since: Apr 24, 2020 Threads: 1 Posts: 13 | The recent "85% who wear masks get covid" claims are nonsensical. I was interested in trying to lay out a step by step of how this line/lie made it to a nationally televised town hall last week. How does that even happen? Anyway, here's the link to my take on it. https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot.com/2020/10/every-lie-has-how-and-why.html Other entries can be accessed by clicking the titles on the right. The blog is completely non-commercial. Clicks do not translate into any kind of support, and there are no ads of any kind. |
October 22nd, 2020 at 6:32:44 AM permalink | |
Tanko Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 0 Posts: 1988 |
The CDC study involved 154 case patients who tested positive and 160 control participants who tested negative. 14.4% of the case patients reported ‘Often’ wearing a mask. 70.6% of them reported ‘Always’ wearing a mask. 85% of the case patients either often or always wore a mask, 14 days before the onset. 3.9 percent of the case patients ‘Never’ wore a mask and 3.9% ‘Rarely’ wore a mask fourteen days before the onset. See Page 1261. Less than 8% of the case patients who never or rarely wore a mask, caught the disease. 85% vs. 7.8% Positive results were eleven times higher for the case patients who often or always wore a mask, 14 days before the onset, than for patients who rarely or never wore a mask. |
October 22nd, 2020 at 6:47:07 AM permalink | |
odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 154 Posts: 5116 | Wearing a mask* does not protect YOU. Anybody who claimed otherwise was wrong, nor would the CDC or any health authority disagree with that statement, except perhaps to claim a minimal protection. Plenty of people continue to assume it protects them of course. I advocate masks. Does that seem like a contradiction? *PS, I should have said a 'typical' mask I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me] |
October 22nd, 2020 at 7:52:24 AM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11821 |
I agree Just wearing a mask is not going to cut it You have to go for the whole program which is wear a mask, socially distance, wash your hands, avoid crowds, use common sense. Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
October 22nd, 2020 at 10:23:56 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Those seeking medical care are pr9ñe to give g9od answers. Giving good answers alwayes screws up accuracy. |
October 22nd, 2020 at 1:14:08 PM permalink | |
redietz Member since: Apr 24, 2020 Threads: 1 Posts: 13 | Tanko -- LOL. See, this is what I mean. Jesus, man, you couldn't have mangled the questions the study asked and the implications worse than you did. Step back, take a deep breath, and actually read what the people who did the study say about their study. There is actually a better piece than the one below with more reaction from the study authors. I will dig it up and post it later. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/16/politics/fact-check-trump-cdc-masks-85-percent/index.html |
October 22nd, 2020 at 4:18:37 PM permalink | |
Tanko Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 0 Posts: 1988 |
I did something better. I read the study. This is what I wrote: "The CDC study involved 154 case patients who tested positive and 160 control participants who tested negative. 14.4% of the case patients reported ‘Often’ wearing a mask. 70.6% of them reported ‘Always’ wearing a mask. 85% of the case patients either often or always wore a mask, 14 days before the onset. 3.9 percent of the case patients ‘Never’ wore a mask and 3.9% ‘Rarely’ wore a mask fourteen days before the onset." Which is exactly what is said in the CNN article. The study also found that, of the 154 participants who tested positive, a total of 85% said they had worn a mask either "always" (70.6%) or "often" (14.4%) over the 14 days prior to the onset of their illness. What exactly did I mangle? |
October 22nd, 2020 at 4:53:35 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11821 |
I view the study as meaningless Just a mask is meaningless Just a mask won't do jack If that is all you are doing, probably catch it I do a lot more then a mask and I probably won't get it and I get out. Visiting White Sands tomorrow. Excited Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
October 23rd, 2020 at 8:24:35 AM permalink | |
redietz Member since: Apr 24, 2020 Threads: 1 Posts: 13 |
Your last three lines are a complete mangle filled with false implications and conclusions. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-repeats-inaccurate-claim-masks-194453508.html This is the clearest summary I read, and please note the inclusion of commentary by the doctors who designed, executed, and wrote about the study. Why would you think you are qualified to draw idiosyncratic conclusions as compared to their statements regarding what the study was about? This is what Tom Nichols was talking about in his "Death of Expertise." People think they are all experts. |
October 23rd, 2020 at 10:03:27 AM permalink | |
redietz Member since: Apr 24, 2020 Threads: 1 Posts: 13 |