The Election Fraud Thread

Quote: GenoDRPh

Non-citizens are not voting, except limited circumstances that fall through the cracks that amount to fraction of a percentage of votes cast. The amount of non-citizen voting has never been outcome determinative in any election. Rinse and repeat as necessary for all to understand.

I promise you if I randomly burnt 1 out every 1000 ballots it would not be ‘outcome determinative.’ Just as if 1 out of a 1000 votes being from non citizens would not be ‘outcome determinative’, neither is acceptable. We don’t make election safety laws on trying to only prevent ‘outcome determinative’ fraud. Because we of course can never be sure when it WILL be outcome determinative.

I DO believe you are correct that whatever the non citizen votes that slipped through the cracks did occur in 2020, it is not reasonable to think it was to the extent to change any state from Biden to Trump.

This is all a ‘concept’ argument. Republicans want to prioritize election integrity over access. Democrats want to prioritize access over integrity. It is easy to see the values in both arguments. I lean towards the Republicans on this one, as it is truly hard to imagine not having some form of ID if you are a citizen, ESPECIALLY with every Democratic political machine churning to help register the bottom tier of society, typically hugely predisposed to vote Democrat.

Neighbor across street has Harris/Walz placard. I have one down the street who is a hard core Trumper and her lawn is littered with Trump posters. My Yorkie pees on all of them.

Anyone want to explain why the stupid oaf Donald Trump thinks that if HE doesn't think the election is fair, HE gets to decide that the election was rigged, and if the courts don't agree with him, HE gets to decide the courts were unfair?

Doesn't doubly stupid oaf Donald Trump know you can't have a rule like that that only applies to one side? Because that seems to be the rule he is going to continue to apply.

MAGA is the definition of stupid.

Quote: SOOPOO

I promise you if I randomly burnt 1 out every 1000 ballots it would not be ‘outcome determinative.’ Just as if 1 out of a 1000 votes being from non citizens would not be ‘outcome determinative’, neither is acceptable. We don’t make election safety laws on trying to only prevent ‘outcome determinative’ fraud. Because we of course can never be sure when it WILL be outcome determinative.

I DO believe you are correct that whatever the non citizen votes that slipped through the cracks did occur in 2020, it is not reasonable to think it was to the extent to change any state from Biden to Trump.

This is all a ‘concept’ argument. Republicans want to prioritize election integrity over access. Democrats want to prioritize access over integrity. It is easy to see the values in both arguments. I lean towards the Republicans on this one, as it is truly hard to imagine not having some form of ID if you are a citizen, ESPECIALLY with every Democratic political machine churning to help register the bottom tier of society, typically hugely predisposed to vote Democrat.

Neighbor across street has Harris/Walz placard. I have one down the street who is a hard core Trumper and her lawn is littered with Trump posters. My Yorkie pees on all of them.

It;s not a concept argument, in theory. But laws are being passed based on inaccurate theories that are not true. And it's having a raal impact on voter turnout nd society at large.

You make it sound like Dems want no election security if it means allowing all eligible person to vote. Nothing of the sort is the case. It's about balancing interests.

Quote: GenoDRPh

Non-citizens are not voting, except limited circumstances that fall through]People who aren't registered to vote, by definition, are not voting, except in limited circumstances (provisional ballots, with eligibility TBD before the vote is counted. I am discounting your statement as a gross exaggeration of the actual state of affairs. the cracks that amount to fraction of a percentage of votes cast. The amount of non-citizen voting has never been outcome determinative in any election. Rinse and repeat as necessary for all to understand.

All that we need to understand is you and the other libs on here do not care about election security. All of you have made that clear.

Quote: GenoDRPh

It;s not a concept argument, in theory. But laws are being passed based on inaccurate theories that are not true. And it's having a raal impact on voter turnout nd society at large.

You make it sound like Dems want no election security if it means allowing all eligible person to vote. Nothing of the sort is the case. It's about balancing interests.

You are funny, I will give you that! One minute you say how the few noncitizens voting does not matter. Then a few posts later you say that laws are having a real impact on voter turnout.

Please show us where turnout is actually down by an actual margin. It rarely goes down.

Dems do want no election security at all. ANY measure proposed and they scream bloody murder. Voter ID is the best example. Any functioning adult will have ID. This has been proven. But Democrats trot out their racist statements that minorities are incapable of getting an ID.

They also want same day registration. Unmanned ballot drop boxes. Vote harvesting. Do not act like Democrats want election security, they do not.

Quote: SOOPOO

Neighbor across street has Harris/Walz placard. I have one down the street who is a hard core Trumper and her lawn is littered with Trump posters. My Yorkie pees on all of them.

I am very happy to hear that you have an unbiased patriotic dog.

Quote: SOOPOO

Neighbor across street has Harris/Walz placard. I have one down the street who is a hard core Trumper and her lawn is littered with Trump posters. My Yorkie pees on all of them.

This will not play well when you move into that HOA.

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They also want same day registration. Unmanned ballot drop boxes. Vote harvesting. Do not act like Democrats want election security, they do not.

NONE of those things impact election security. Not one bit.

Before I respond to the rest, I dare you to say that (a) Joe Biden won 2020 fair and square in a free and fair election (b) Jan 6 was an attempt to overturn Biden's election and (c) No outcome determinant purposeful election fraud occurred in 2020. I dare you.

Quote: GenoDRPh

NONE of those things impact election security. Not one bit.

Before I respond to the rest, I dare you to say that (a) Joe Biden won 2020 fair and square in a free and fair election (b) Jan 6 was an attempt to overturn Biden's election and (c) No outcome determinant purposeful election fraud occurred in 2020. I dare you.

You’d have an easier time getting him to say straight men can be pedophiles. lol

Quote: GenoDRPh

NONE of those things impact election security. Not one bit.

Before I respond to the rest, I dare you to say that (a) Joe Biden won 2020 fair and square in a free and fair election (b) Jan 6 was an attempt to overturn Biden's election and (c) No outcome determinant purposeful election fraud occurred in 2020. I dare you.

Yes, they do.

Same day registration. Crazy. No time to vet the person. There is a deadline for a reason. You miss it, you do not get to vote. Boo hoo hoo.

Unmanned drop boxes? Open to tampering of all kinds. Insane idea.

Vote harvesting. Open to fraud. No reason for it. It is an election, not the Grammy awards.

Why are you so dense that you do not see it does not have to "affect the election" it is just good security so there is less chance of having an effect?

We will never know if 2020 was fair because it was never audited.

I do not get why you keep whining about Jan 6 as by your standards it did not have any effect on anything. By your own standards it was no big deal and we should not care about it.