The Election Fraud Thread

Without the Federal government, I think our individual states would become more tribal in identification, and war would break out among different states. Ultimately, some states would end up aligning with other states for their own protection, and we'd probably end up in 3,4 or more regions. I doubt if anyone would be an ounce happier once everyone got used to it and all the bickering would continue.

Quote: Mission146

Do you know what Libertarianism is? At what point did I claim to be an Anarchist?

Quote from Wiki: "Anarchism" generally refers to the anti-authoritarian (libertarian) wing of the socialist movement. "Libertarian socialism" has been a synonym for "anarchism" since 1890, as has the term "libertarian" through the mid-20th century."

Does government exist to prevent someone from trying to make a living? Or is it benefitting us? I guess it depends on who you ask?

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Quote: kenarman

Quote from Wiki: "Anarchism" generally refers to the anti-authoritarian (libertarian) wing of the socialist movement. "Libertarian socialism" has been a synonym for "anarchism" since 1890, as has the term "libertarian" through the mid-20th century."

In that case, your source sucks. The LP is a political party that attempts to get people elected into offices at all levels of Government—which wouldn’t make a whole hell of a lot of sense if the goal was Anarchy. You need a Federal Government in order to have a centrally managed National defense, for one thing.

Quote: Mission146

In that case, your source sucks. The LP is a political party that attempts to get people elected into offices at all levels of Government—which wouldn’t make a whole hell of a lot of sense if the goal was Anarchy. You need a Federal Government in order to have a centrally managed National defense, for one thing.

I dispute the claim that the Libertarian Party tries to win elections.

Quote: kenarman

Quote from Wiki: "Anarchism" generally refers to the anti-authoritarian (libertarian) wing of the socialist movement. "Libertarian socialism" has been a synonym for "anarchism" since 1890, as has the term "libertarian" through the mid-20th century."

My father was a Liberatarian so I'm very aware of the philosophy
I read the definition and my response is WTF
Its nowhere close to the socialist movement.
That's insane
Its just laughable
Is this quote somehow out of context because its simply wrong in a big way

I always vote Libertarian; to me it means "As little government intrusion as possible, and leave me the hell alone to do whatever I want so long as I don't hurt people doing it."

Quote: missedhervee

I always vote Libertarian; to me it means "As little government intrusion as possible, and leave me the hell alone to do whatever I want so long as I don't hurt people doing it."

Yup
Minimum govt to simply protect rights and that's it
That was my father's libertarian view
Absolutely nothing to do with socialism.

Quote: terapined

Yup
Minimum govt to simply protect rights and that's it
That was my father's libertarian view
Absolutely nothing to do with socialism.

You youngsters just don't know your history.

"If you consider these two definitions, it is obviously very possible to be both libertarian and socialist. In fact for many years the two terms were more or less synonymous, describing the behavioral and economic aspects of the same movement. The libertarians, socialists, and anarchists of the 19th century wanted to abolish the government, overthrow the aristocracy, take the farms and factories away from absentee landlords, and have farmers and factory workers manage themselves." Quote is from Quora.

Quote: kenarman

You youngsters just don't know your history.

"If you consider these two definitions, it is obviously very possible to be both libertarian and socialist. In fact for many years the two terms were more or less synonymous, describing the behavioral and economic aspects of the same movement. The libertarians, socialists, and anarchists of the 19th century wanted to abolish the government, overthrow the aristocracy, take the farms and factories away from absentee landlords, and have farmers and factory workers manage themselves." Quote is from Quora.

I get that the activist wings of almost any political movement often wants to take down the current status quo (whatever it may be), I'm just not sure where the anarchist ends up compared to everything else. I can't see them supporting any organized structure at the end of the day even if they work with another political movement to do the take down. They're just gonna burn that system down as well if it gets established.