The City on Fire

Quote: Mission146

Of course I condemn the KKK in the sense that I am completely against their ideas. As far as calling them out--and I don't know how much more simply I can put this-individuals either commit a crime or they do not. I can oppose the group's general ideas without automatically thinking that everyone in the group has done an illegal act.

If I read the entire BLM platform, which I haven't, I'm sure there would be at least one thing I disagree with. Does that mean I oppose the entire group? No. My point is individual people either did looting or rioting, or they did peaceful public protest. One is illegal, the other isn't. I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult for you---you usually like the notion of individual accountability.

What is difficult for me is you will condemn one racist group but hem and haw about the other. Meanwhile the KKK does not block highways in the name of their group, nor do they loot. BLM does both. So yeah, it is difficult for me to understand.

Quote: Mission146

Of course I condemn the KKK in the sense that I am completely against their ideas. As far as calling them out--and I don't know how much more simply I can put this-individuals either commit a crime or they do not. I can oppose the group's general ideas without automatically thinking that everyone in the group has done an illegal act.

I totally agree
I remember back in the day the KKK wanted to march through a Jewish neighborhood
A lot of my friends were against the march, especially Jewish friends
I totally supported the march. Its a protected right.
The KKK has a right to march and protest as long as it is peaceful
I hate the KKK
but
I totally support their constitutional right to march and protest

Quote: AZDuffman

What is difficult for me is you will condemn one racist group but hem and haw about the other. Meanwhile the KKK does not block highways in the name of their group, nor do they loot. BLM does both. So yeah, it is difficult for me to understand.

Because I don't completely disagree with everything that BLM stands for and, as far as I know, do completely disagree with everything that the KKK stands for. At the heart of BLM, in my view, is equal treatment under the law.

I really don't have an issue with highway blocking and consider it peaceful public protest. Aren't you the one who thinks the Government shouldn't even be paying for highways? I mean, peaceful public protest isn't supposed to refrain from being a PITA, they're just not supposed to commit any crimes. I guess walking on certain roads is a crime, so if they wanted to arrest them for that, I don't really have a leg to stand on. I'm not going to condemn people for walking on highways, but if they get arrested and charged, then they get arrested and charged. It is what it is.

Also, the KKK, as I understand it, is comprised ENTIRELY of racists, so that makes it much easier to condemn the entire group. If a group of convicted rapists formed a group after being released (which they would be fully within legal rights to do) to discuss how fun raping people was, then I would condemn that group as a group. It doesn't mean that I think what the group is doing is illegal.

Quote: Mission146

Because I don't completely disagree with everything that BLM stands for and, as far as I know, do completely disagree with everything that the KKK stands for. At the heart of BLM, in my view, is equal treatment under the law.

There is equal treatment under the law. BLM is a black supremacist group that among other things wants the police defunded. They are violent. As I have said before, if a group called "White Lives Matter" was founded the FBI would be checking them out right away and the media would do all they could to destroy them. BLM wants to take what other groups have worked for to redistribute.

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I really don't have an issue with highway blocking and consider it peaceful public protest. Aren't you the one who thinks the Government shouldn't even be paying for highways? I mean, peaceful public protest isn't supposed to refrain from being a PITA, they're just not supposed to commit any crimes. I guess walking on certain roads is a crime, so if they wanted to arrest them for that, I don't really have a leg to stand on. I'm not going to condemn people for walking on highways, but if they get arrested and charged, then they get arrested and charged. It is what it is.

Blocking highways is "peaceful?" That is like saying if I held a gun to you and said, "just sit there until I get what I want" to be peaceful. What about all the people they make miss work? Miss deliveries? What if they stop ambulances or fire trucks?

Blocking roads is a form of violent protest. But see, because it is who it is doing it you seem to want to give them a pass?

If the KKK blocked a highway to protest removal of confederate statues you would call it peaceful then. I will file that.

Seattle has been overtaken by domestic terrorists.

The governor did not even know about it happening; the may refuse comment.

The terrorist are demanding for protection money from businesses wanting to operate in the area.

This has no real relation to protesting peaceful for any type of change; it is thugs taking over part of a city.

What should be done about it?

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Looks like there also may be something similar getting ready to happen in Portland...

Quote: RonC

Seattle has been overtaken by domestic terrorists.

The governor did not even know about it happening; the may refuse comment.

The terrorist are demanding for protection money from businesses wanting to operate in the area.

This has no real relation to protesting peaceful for any type of change; it is thugs taking over part of a city.

What should be done about it?

*****
Looks like there also may be something similar getting ready to happen in Portland...

Send the boys in, kill them all. Announce that anyone unrelated to the takeover has exactly four hours to get the hell out of there. They have committed treason.

Quote: RonC

Seattle has been overtaken by domestic terrorists.

The governor did not even know about it happening; the may refuse comment.

The terrorist are demanding for protection money from businesses wanting to operate in the area.

This has no real relation to protesting peaceful for any type of change; it is thugs taking over part of a city.

What should be done about it?

*****
Looks like there also may be something similar getting ready to happen in Portland...

Military needs sent in.....NOW!

Seattle has a weird communist history. These are communists acting like the mafia.

Anyone still think the left is not out of control?

Quote: AZDuffman

There is equal treatment under the law. BLM is a black supremacist group that among other things wants the police defunded. They are violent. As I have said before, if a group called "White Lives Matter" was founded the FBI would be checking them out right away and the media would do all they could to destroy them. BLM wants to take what other groups have worked for to redistribute.

Are you suggesting that the FBI is not keeping a close eye on BLM for certain types of organized activity? I would think that they are. The media, acting as an entity separate from the Government, can do whatever the hell it wants to! I thought you liked free markets!

Pick one! Pick one! Pick one!

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Blocking highways is "peaceful?" That is like saying if I held a gun to you and said, "just sit there until I get what I want" to be peaceful. What about all the people they make miss work? Miss deliveries? What if they stop ambulances or fire trucks?

Blocking roads is a form of violent protest. But see, because it is who it is doing it you seem to want to give them a pass?

If the KKK blocked a highway to protest removal of confederate statues you would call it peaceful then. I will file that.

That's my point, people are mildly inconvenienced and generally not hurt. OBVIOUSLY, you make it very much a crime for the protestors to not yield to emergency vehicles. If someone has emergency flashers going on a private vehicle, yield to them.

I mean, how are you going to get seen if you're not being a little bit of a pain in the @$$?

File it. An act is either violent/destructive or it is not. The act itself doesn't change because of who is doing it.

Quote: Mission146

Are you suggesting that the FBI is not keeping a close eye on BLM for certain types of organized activity? I would think that they are. The media, acting as an entity separate from the Government, can do whatever the hell it wants to! I thought you liked free markets!

That is what I am suggesting. I do like free markets. I am making a point about media bias.

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That's my point, people are mildly inconvenienced and generally not hurt. OBVIOUSLY, you make it very much a crime for the protestors to not yield to emergency vehicles. If someone has emergency flashers going on a private vehicle, yield to them.

I mean, how are you going to get seen if you're not being a little bit of a pain in the @$$?

You "get seen" by peaceful making your point. And you cannot say "people are mildly inconvenienced." It is wrong to block roads, period. I would support a law protecting motorists from running these people down. It is not a joke.