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The City on Fire
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:28:19 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
When I smoked I loved Winston. The no additives no bull campaign was genius. |
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:28:49 PM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
He should be in jail already while they conduct the investigation. I would be. You would be. The system can, does, has and is failed. Violence breeds violence and we have a system that picks and chooses who is allowed to do violence and against whom. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:32:57 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
You said , "You can prove racism exists as an overall problem just as easily as you can prove putting a skinny person in a fat suit and letting them see how differently they will be treated as a fat person. There's many many experiments that have shown racism exists and has an effect. I'm not even arguing it only exists in one community either. It's just the majority community has the greatest effect no matter what race they are." You can't then respond about it breaking down into seperate issues. Police overreach against what race? Any? In general? Yes, police get a pass a lot, because they deal with bad people, and often have to resort to tragic levels of violence. And, a court will often believe a cop over a criminal if it is word against word. Thankfully for bodycams that is not an issue anymore. (And, body cams actually lower the cases of reports and wrongdoing allegations...)... |
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:35:14 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
Yes, if we choked somebody randomly we would be in jail. This was part of an arrest. It's completely different. It's wrong and he will be in jail (probably after the ME report....) but for now its still being investigated.... |
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:39:01 PM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
If I choked someone in self-defense I’d be in jail while they decided whether or not it was self-defense. There’s no self-defense component here. There arguably was, until they got him cuffed and clearly subdued. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:40:25 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18758 |
You really should look up experiments yourself. If you can't find anything, I'll get around to it. But Oh dear. You need to answer what justice is for someone who has suffered a wrong. We can offer them a job at the expense of another person as the number of jobs may be limited, or we can offer them a sum of money. Or something else. But justice isn't offering nothing. I guess you can argue that we can't give the son or daughter anything due to their father suffering discrimination, but I disagree. I would still give the son or daughter of a Nazi holocaust victim the stolen goods his captor had stolen from them. The stolen land, the stolen freedom. Something. Affirmative action was one solution. But even if we didn't do that, we would have to take something from someone to give someone something. There was plenty of legal discrimination long after slavery. Most of it is not in the law any longer. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:42:55 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
Not true at all. Look at George Zimmerman. And, plenty of less controversial examples.... If self-defense is plausible, you are rarely arrested before an investigation. People use violence everyday in self defense and continue on with their day.... Both violence resulting in injury and killing. Its all about context and probability.... To be arrested there needs to be probable cause of a crime (which any kind of self-defense, especially in stand your ground states is not).... |
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:48:23 PM permalink | |
| Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
You’re going to have a tough time arguing self-defense if you have me on video crushing a guy under my knee for the better part of ten minutes while my friends keep people back and the person who I am killing has his hands restrained. Don’t you think? Again, I only believe in violence in the course of self-defense. But, justice would be he gets to sit in jail because that’s where he’s going anyway. REAL justice would be you feed his sorry ass to the wolves and let them have their way with him. We’ll see how calm and composed he looks when he’s being ripped to pieces. At least his hands won’t be restrained. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:48:55 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18758 | I'd use clawback as another example of justice. People who may have done nothing intentionally wrong made money from Bernie Madoff's ripping off other people. What happens to the people who did nothing wrong. They still have to give that money back to the person it was stolen from. Sorry. Just because they did nothing wrong doesn't mean they get to keep it. It's not theirs.. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| May 28th, 2020 at 6:52:37 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | How far back would you go? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |