First Principles
December 30th, 2020 at 4:51:02 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Absolutely correct. About subjective truth, anyway. You have your own truths about how a banana tastes, or what your fave color is. Mine are different than yours, that doesn't make them wrong. You have your personal opinions of the concept of god, just like a Muslim or a Jew or a Buddhist does. Or an atheist. In our separate subjective realities we're all correct, it works for us. It's when you try and force your subjective reality on someone else that trouble begins. People in the Middle East can sit there all day long with their god beliefs, it's their time to waste. It's when they start blowing up the property of people who believe differently, just because they believe differently, that's when we see they're too ignorant to tell the difference between subjective and objective reality. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 30th, 2020 at 6:54:21 PM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4973 | There are no truths. Everything is subjective and perspective. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
December 30th, 2020 at 8:11:42 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
So you're saying in objective reality there is no such thing as a good gas station hot dog. They're only good because you think they are. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 30th, 2020 at 9:16:16 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
So is that a truth? Or were you just deftly pointing out the ridiculousness of such a statement, bravo! “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 30th, 2020 at 10:44:02 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
"One mans truth is another mans belly laugh." Robert Heinlein There is no subjective truth, only objective truth. Snow is white. An objective truth. God is love. A subjective speculation. Nothing about 'god is love' can be proven objectively. It's just your hope and opinion. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 31st, 2020 at 7:07:10 AM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4973 |
I would agree that it is not a "truth", it is an opinion. It may be my truth but a global truth does not currently exist. Until we as humans know everything we will not know anything to be true. Many centuries ago it was believed by most to be a truth that the Earth is flat, today we know more and think that is no longer the case. Until we understand everything, we know nothing. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
December 31st, 2020 at 12:36:57 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What makes one of these an objective truth and the other a subjective speculation? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 31st, 2020 at 12:38:35 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You do not have to know everything to make a truth statement. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 31st, 2020 at 12:51:20 PM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4973 |
I am not sure about that. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
December 31st, 2020 at 4:57:08 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
We've had these discussions about 'truth' before, they end up going nowhere. There is no one truth that applies to the subjective and philosophical world. Truth is always relative to where you happen to be standing at the time. For instance, pre meditated murder is wrong, unless you live in a cannibalistic society. So is it really right or wrong. Now you will bring up the Holocaust again, as you always do at this point in the discussion. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |