Columbus Day or Indiginous People'd Day?
October 15th, 2019 at 9:13:16 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18199 |
Yes, I make that claim. Did they have celestial navigation? If they made all these crossings, why did they not continue their exploration? Why were they so amazed at the boats the Euros had? DNA research? What that is proving is people moved across the old land bridge to North America and spread out. If these peoples had all this capability, what happened to it? A few guys going out on a kayak does not mean the were capable of open ocean travel. It means a few got lucky they did not die in the process. Look, it is sickening what happened to many Indian peoples. The Cherokee in particular got raw deal after raw deal despite trying to assimilate to the inevitable. But the simple fact is peoples outside Europe, particularly Western Europe, and to a lesser extent the Orient, were not at a level to compete on the technology of the former. And to say the Indians lived some happy, peaceful life before discovery is an outright lie. The President is a fink. |
October 15th, 2019 at 10:35:04 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18747 | Pretty sure it’s possible to find someone more worthy than Columbus of the same time period to celebrate. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
October 15th, 2019 at 10:57:12 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18199 |
So he was not perfect. Life then did not have the same standards we have today. Get over it. The President is a fink. |
October 15th, 2019 at 10:59:31 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | In a single day, De Las Casas was an eye witness as the Spanish soldiers dismembered, beheaded, or raped 3000 native people. This ridiculous statement makes all of it look like nonsense. 3000 in a day, really? Ever see 3000 people in one place, that's a huge number. It would literally been a logistical impossibility. It's an urban legend blown out of proportion. 300 I might believe, but even that would be a bloodbath beyond comprehension. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 15th, 2019 at 11:04:17 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
In the early 1500's a ship off the coast of the US could see camp fires at night from Maine to FL. Over 2 million Indians lived on the Eastern seaboard. By 1600 there were no fires because 95% were gone due to infectious disease. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 15th, 2019 at 12:04:49 PM permalink | |
Tanko Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 0 Posts: 1978 |
We don't honor them with a national holiday. |
October 15th, 2019 at 12:14:06 PM permalink | |
Tanko Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 0 Posts: 1978 |
They had the men to do it. Especially against an unarmed population. The Spaniards were in the New World for 25 years when Bartolome de Las Casas wrote that in 1517. Columbus made four voyages to the New World between 1492 and 1502. On his second voyage alone, “he returned with 17 heavily armed ships 1500 men, cannon, guns, crossbows, and attack dogs. All of which he used to fulfill his wishes of conquest of these “Children of God.” -Ramon Rivera |
October 15th, 2019 at 12:27:32 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18747 |
They put Columbus in jail for his abuses then, so that doesn't cut it. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
October 15th, 2019 at 12:32:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
3000, it never happened. It's a blown out of proportion 'story', like many stories are. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 15th, 2019 at 12:39:41 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18747 | It' a bit later, but those armed with guns on each side. Deaths in civil war battles You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |