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Worst possible news for Boeing
| March 11th, 2019 at 2:11:01 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | With a seven-year order backlog, Boeing increased production of the popular 737 in the middle of 2018 to 52 airplanes per month. Nearly half of the year's 580 737 deliveries were from the more fuel-efficient and longer-range MAX family, including the first MAX 9 airplanes. For the full year, the 737 program achieved 675 net orders, including sales to 13 new customers.
With a production rate of 52 a month, the biggest problem will be airlines who refuse delivery. I don't think Lion Air has taken delivery of a single B737 since the accident (no surprise there). |
| March 12th, 2019 at 6:44:06 AM permalink | |
| ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 12522 | The UK Civil Aviation Authority just banned the 737 Max 8 from British air space. “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
| March 12th, 2019 at 7:42:35 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Orders were lower in Europe than in Northern America. Most of the Irish companies , except Ryanair, are jet leasing companies. The airlines may switch to Airbus jets. Ireland 100 AerCap 12. Jun. 2015 90 SMBC Aviation Capital 10. Nov. 2014 22 Timaero Ireland Limited 15. Jan. 2014 20 Avolon 18. Sep. 2012 135 Ryanair 28. Nov. 2014 United Kingdom 72 TUI Travel PLC 9. Jul. 2013 Iceland 16 Icelandair 12. Feb. 2013 8 Primera Air Iceland 14. Apr. 2017 Norway 110 Norwegian Air Shuttle 24. Jan. 2012 Spain 20 Southwest Airlines 21. Dec. 2015 593
Seriously! Sounds like an old man shooting his mouth off. |
| March 13th, 2019 at 10:18:48 AM permalink | |
| ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 12522 | Canada grounds the Max 8 as well. Now the U.S. is the ONLY country that is letting them fly. “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
| March 13th, 2019 at 11:50:34 AM permalink | |
| ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 12522 | Aaaaaaaand Trump announces the US will ground all MAX 8s as well. “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
| March 13th, 2019 at 1:29:14 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
If this were an act of terrorism it could actually have economic ramifications worse than 9-11. Ethiopia is about 1/3 Islam and roughly 2/3 Christianity with only smatterings of other faiths. Boeing still has 24 unfilled orders for the B737-800. Almost 5000 have been delivered. Perhaps they could revive that production line so they at least have something to sell. Southwest must be planning on scouring the earth to buy some second hand ones. Delta was incredibly lucky. Out of 295 jets on order only 10 are from Boeing (due to be delivered this year), and 285 are from Airbus. |
| March 13th, 2019 at 3:51:20 PM permalink | |
| Aussie Member since: May 10, 2016 Threads: 2 Posts: 458 | Was only a matter of time until it was grounded completely. Not sure why the FAA took so long. Although their press releases did sound like they were drafted by Boeing. Lol In Australia VA have them on order for delivery starting later in the year. It will be interesting to see what comes of that given that future network planning would have been built around the purchase. |
| March 13th, 2019 at 4:20:02 PM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 | I am certainly not an equipment expert but thinking about this situation and just speculating The 737 is a great plane My general understanding The Max is the same 737 design but longer The engines are bigger and closer to the fuselage During tests Boeing discovers a stall design flaw due to the placement of the engines and to prevent that stall, software drops the nose to pick up speed to prevent a stall Maybe they should have gone back to the drawing board and fix the problem by changing the design instead of going with software to fix the issue On the flip side, its software that pretty much flies these planes these days Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| March 13th, 2019 at 4:47:28 PM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 | Found this link on the design flaw Very informative http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/what-s-wrong-with-the-boeing-737-max-8-a-1257608.html Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| March 13th, 2019 at 8:19:01 PM permalink | |
| gamerfreak Member since: Feb 19, 2018 Threads: 4 Posts: 527 | I don’t know the business well, but It already seemed like most Airlines we’re leaning towards airbus in the last decade or so. Seems like that will certainly be the case moving forward. What a shame for Boeing. I think the US ban on Airmax was announced after stock market close? I am interested to see what Boeing stock does tomorrow. |