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What does an executive really need in air transport?
| October 5th, 2018 at 11:53:53 AM permalink | |
| Ayecarumba Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 89 Posts: 1744 | Since private jet clients don't appear to go through the same screenings as commercial passengers, what's keeping the terrorists from hijacking them? I assume a Citation with a full load of fuel would make a pretty big hole. |
| October 5th, 2018 at 11:56:55 AM permalink | |
| Ayecarumba Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 89 Posts: 1744 | Do all small airports accommodate helicopters? I think helicopters are really uncomfortable for extended trips. Does a 400 mile range one even allow passengers to stand, or have a lav? |
| October 5th, 2018 at 1:01:20 PM permalink | |
| DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4961 |
We generally use the Citations for flights under 1000 miles. We have a Challenger 601 for the longer flights. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
| October 5th, 2018 at 4:19:44 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
A designated helipad is not a requirement for a helicopter to land at an airport. They can land at any airport (or even a big parking lot). I think Heathrow restricts helicopters simply because it is so small and so busy. But helicopters fly to JFK all the time from Manhattan. -------------------------------------------------------------- As I understand it helicopter noise is more of the issue than the comfort of the seats. Plus they are really slow and the specified range is usually risky because of weather conditions. Queen Elizabeth will fly take the helicopter 150 miles from London to Manchester, or 70 miles from Manchester to Birmingham, but to fly 400 miles to Scotland they spend $22K each way and lease a small jet. Princess Anne or Prince Andrew will take the royal helicopter to Scotland and just make stops along the way. The royal helicopter comes with a 7 year lease, and they maintain the flight crew on full time staff. But it is easier to lease jets for fixed wing flights.  The Queen also has a royal train they gave her in the 1970s. Here she is with Meghan Markle  The government took away her yacht in 1997 that she was given in 1954. It was deemed an extravagance of an earlier age.  ------------------------------------------------------------- But the dream of a helicopter that will fly at least 300 mph for two hours has been a long standing desire of executives. |
| October 5th, 2018 at 6:09:23 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | At least the Royal Yacht served a purpose. Slot for Senior Petit Officers from Australia and other far flung places. Painted White in wartime and sails as a hospital ship (remember the Falklands) but even when the Queen sailed on the yacht she usually arrived on it by helicopter just prior to it reaching its destination. |
| February 18th, 2020 at 5:58:26 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |  A key feature of the ACJ319neo's new ”Infinito” cabin design – announced by Airbus Corporate Jets and the Italian hypercar Atelier Pagani Automobili at EBACE – is it sky ceiling, which can bring a live view of the sky above the aircraft into the cabin - |
| February 19th, 2020 at 5:45:16 AM permalink | |
| gamerfreak Member since: Feb 19, 2018 Threads: 4 Posts: 527 | A TBM turboprop seems like a good value for short domestic flights when you factor in maintenance and fuel costs. I think they claim the price to operate is around $2.40/mile. I imagine the single engine may scare off some buyers, but my understanding is that turboprop engines are significantly more reliable than piston engines. |
| February 20th, 2020 at 1:01:01 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
It would be nice to see royal eco-warriors using turboprops when flying from castle to palace (400 miles) or to Cannes in France (650 miles) instead of jets Cruise speed of 290 mph is much slower than a jet, but these ranges are not long. |
| February 20th, 2020 at 5:01:50 AM permalink | |
| gamerfreak Member since: Feb 19, 2018 Threads: 4 Posts: 527 |
The French military has 23 TBM’s in service. I am assuming the TBM 940 is the next best airplane under a jet in terms range and speed. Maximum speed: 611 km/h (380 mph, 330 kn) maximum cruise at 8,534 m (28,000 ft) Cruise speed: 467 km/h (290 mph, 252 kn) long-range cruise Range: 3,304 km (2,053 mi, 1,784 nmi) with max fuel at long-range cruise and 9,449 m (31,001 ft) Service ceiling: 9,449 m (31,001 ft) Time to altitude: 9,449 m (31,001 ft) in 18 minutes 45 seconds Fuel consumption: 208 l/h (55 gal/h; 46 imp gal/h) / 164 kg/h (362 lb/h) at 593 km/h (368 mph; 320 kn) TAS, FL310, normal cruise, at 2,858 kg (6,301 lb)[33] Take-off run: 726 m (2,382 ft) Landing run: 741 m (2,431 ft) |
| February 20th, 2020 at 6:41:47 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
The royals took 10 "residence to residence" trips last year. If it is The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall or The Queen they charter a jet. The ranges are short. NHT ABZ 397 mi (London to Scotland) BZZ ABZ 378 m (Prince Charle's country house to Scotland) 2018 (starting 1 March 2018) Charter 11-Apr Northolt - Aberdeen; Residence to residence. £17,629 Charter 22-Apr Northolt - Aberdeen; Residence to residence. £17,922 Charter 24-May Northolt - Aberdeen; Residence to residence. £16,330 Charter 29-May Aberdeen - Northolt; Residence to residence. £16,404 Charter 22-Jun Brize Norton - Aberdeen; Residence to residence. £16,627 Charter 25-Jun Aberdeen - Northolt; Residence to residence. £16,617 Charter 19-Jul Northolt - Aberdeen; Residence to residence. £16,731 Charter 09-Oct Aberdeen - Northolt; Residence to Residence. £17,689 Charter 12-Oct Aberdeen - Northolt - Aberdeen; Residence to Residence. £28,911 That is roughly £44 per mile (far in excess of the less than £2 per mile to charter a turboprop). I just feel that if you are going to spend much of your life lecturing people about your carbon footprint, you should at least charter a turboprop when going back and forth from one massive home to the other home). |