Sun Country and ethics

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April 23rd, 2018 at 6:12:48 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
I don't know about great minds but we are talking about a blizzard in Minneapolis and how it affects the behavior of a US airline that travels to a number of seasonal warm weather destinations in several different countries.


These days racist statements are tolerated, but pointing out such statements as being racist seems beyond the pale.
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April 23rd, 2018 at 7:22:40 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Fleastiff
Come on Paco. Lighten up. I do happen to know that it is Vaminos Muchatsos or something like that.


I'm sorry, but I didn't realize that you were making a joke.

April 23rd, 2018 at 3:03:02 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: AZDuffman
Yeah, I will be taking a vacation in Mexico real soon. NOT!


From 2 months ago:

"Rampant crime and gang activity in Mexico has prompted the US State Department to issue a stringent travel advisory, warning tourists to completely avoid five Mexican states, an advisory level often reserved for nations at war.
The State Department’s highest “do not travel” advisory places the states of Colima, Michoacan, Sinaloa, Tamaulipas and Guerrero at the same warning level as war-ravaged Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq.. Exercise extreme caution in Mexico due to crime... violent crime, such as homicide, kidnapping, car-jacking, and robbery, is widespread."
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 23rd, 2018 at 6:02:00 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Evenbob
The State Department’s highest “do not travel” advisory places the states of Colima, Michoacan, Sinaloa, Tamaulipas and Guerrero at the same warning level as war-ravaged Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq.. Exercise extreme caution in Mexico due to crime... violent crime, such as homicide, kidnapping, car-jacking, and robbery, is widespread."


I have been to three of those five states. Mazatlán is a city in the Mexican state of Sinaloa. Acapulco is a municipality in the state of Guerrero.

Homicide rates are very high in Mexico about 5X that of the US. The rates below are per 100,000 citizens for the year 2010. In comparison the highest state in the USA is Louisiana with a homicide rate of 11 per 100,000 while the nationwide rate hovers around 5 per 100,000.

Violence levels can vary a great deal from year to year as drug related gangs move operations frequently. The murder rate in Ciudad Juárez has finally come down drastically. The statewide level dropped 30% from 2010-2011.

Murder rate in 2010
132.2 Chihuahua 3,406,465 4,502 ------------------------ Border (largest city is Ciudad Juárez; one of the world's most violent cities)
71.8 Sinaloa 2,767,761 1,988
71.6 Guerrero 3,388,768 2,425
65.3 Durango 1,632,934 1,066
54.1 Nayarit 1,084,979 587
46.8 Nuevo León 4,653,458 2,177 ------------------------ Border
32.9 Tamaulipas 3,268,554 1,075 ------------------------ Border
26.5 Coahuila de Zaragoza 2,748,391 729 ------------------------ Border
25.7 Baja California 3,155,070 810 ------------------------ Border
25.5 Morelos 1,777,227 454
24.9 Colima 650,555 162
20.7 Jalisco 7,350,682 1,524
20.4 Sonora 2,662,480 542 ------------------------ Border
19.6 Michoacán de Ocampo 4,351,037 852
19.5 Zacatecas 1,490,668 290
17.9 Oaxaca 3,801,962 682
===================================================== 57% of population of nation in states below
17.2 México 15,175,862 2,613
14.0 San Luis Potosí 2,585,518 362
13.1 Veracruz de Ignacio de la Llave 7,643,194 1,005
12.3 Federal District 8,918,653 1,101
12.3 Quintana Roo 1,325,578 163
11.3 Guanajuato 5,486,372 619
10.1 Tabasco 2,238,603 225
7.8 Hidalgo 2,665,018 209
7.5 Puebla 5,779,829 436
7.5 Tlaxcala 1,169,936 88
6.8 Aguascalientes 1,184,996 80
6.6 Baja California Sur 637,026 42
5.9 Querétaro 1,827,937 107
5.6 Campeche 822,441 46
3.9 Chiapas 4,796,580 185
2.7 Yucatán 1,955,577 53
24.2 Nation 112,404,111 27,199




I am not arguing with your assertion that their is a lot of violence in Mexico. I just don't feel that the mere mention of the name should bring about hysteria.

Murder rates in central America (particularly Honduras) are shockingly high, even by Mexican standards. That explains the large number of Hondurans in the caravan headed to the US.
April 23rd, 2018 at 6:21:07 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin
I am not pretending that there is not a lot of violence in Mexico. I just don't feel that the mere mention of the name should bring about hysteria.


Last year one of my oldest friends
husband died. She got it into her
head that she wanted to move to
Mexico. She had spent a summer
there in 1968 and loved it, that's
where she wanted to retire to in
an RV.

She has hundreds of FB friends and
they went nuts on her. They
begged and pleaded and cried for
her not to do it. One couple were
ex pats there and came back in 2016.
They told her she didn't have a
chance as a Gringo woman alone, she
would be raped and everything she
has stolen.

This went on and on for a week, people
giving testimony of their bad experiences
in Mexico. She gave in and didn't go.
She went to N Mexico instead and
lasted 6 weeks. She was robbed and
vandalized twice because she's an alone
woman in her 60's. She said if it's
that bad in N Mexico, south of the border
must be a real treat.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 24th, 2018 at 6:08:30 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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It seems that some of the customers of this non ultra low cost carrier are coming up on twelve days of missing luggage.

It was NOT the weather, the airline company leases several planes from a Dutch airline company and has to return them by a certain date. Dutch company has excess capacity during certain seasons and leases its planes to Sun.

Ground operations jobs being contracted out. Forty dollar luggage fee to be instituted.

Makes you wonder about that New Zealand couple that "downsized" to travel with one small carry on only.
April 24th, 2018 at 8:46:22 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Fleastiff
It was NOT the weather, the airline company leases several planes from a Dutch airline company and has to return them by a certain date. Dutch company has excess capacity during certain seasons and leases its planes to Sun.


Also Sun Country has excess capacity during certain seasons and leases its planes to Dutch company .

Sun Country has only a dozen regular destinations from MSP. All other destinations are seasonal. The two seasonal destinations shown in red were the last planes of the season

April 24th, 2018 at 6:34:11 PM permalink
Evenbob
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This just out today:

Mexico Ten Times Deadlier for Civilians than War-Ravaged Afghanistan

The number of people killed in Mexico in the first quarter of 2018, at 7,667, is more than ten times higher than the 763 civilian deaths in war-ravaged Afghanistan during the same period. The number of murders in Mexico in the first quarter of 2018 increased by 20 percent when compared to the same period last year. So far, 2018 is Mexico’s “most violent year in two decades,” the Agence France-Presse (AFP) agency notes.

If you include the 4,272 homicides designated as involuntary manslaughter, the total number of deaths in Mexico during the first quarter of 2018 is a staggering 11,939.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 24th, 2018 at 7:48:48 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Evenbob
This just out today:

Latin American and Africa are the two regions of the world which have the highest homicide rate. That has been true for decades. Homicide is much more common among the young, and Latin America and Africa are the two youngest regions in the world.

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) has a site called Global Study on Homicide. All data in this section comes from reports on that site.

Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants.
UNODC murder rates, most recent year
Region Rate Count
Americas 16.3 157,000
Africa 12.5 135,000
World 6.2 437,000
Europe 3.0 22,000
Oceania 3.0 1,100
Asia 2.9 122,000

In "The Americas" according to the report there are only three countries and two overseas territories with a homicide rate lower than the USA

United States 4.88 15,696 Americas Northern America 2015

Cuba 4.19 477 Americas Caribbean 2012
Chile 3.59 638 Americas South America 2014
Canada 1.68 604 Americas Northern America 2015

Aruba (Netherlands) 3.94 4 Americas Caribbean 2010
Martinique (France) 2.78 11 Americas Caribbean 2009
April 24th, 2018 at 9:05:04 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Some countries have high rates for a particular reason.
In Mexican cartel wars, just drinking in the wrong bar can get you killed.

In some Central America countries there is a good deal of shooting going on but its largely Oriental owned mining companies protecting themselves from rebels or those thought to be rebels.

Honduras used to be rather peaceful but now its gang crime ridden.

Word spreads amongst yachties. One country found the drug addict who had stolen a flashlight and already sold it. The police went to the buyer took the flashlight back and returned it to the yacht owners. This made future tourism quite profitable for the dockside merchants.
In one incident there were only sixteen adult males in the district and the cops could not solve the rape and robbery that took place on an anchored yacht. That country doesn't get many boaters spending money in it.
Many yachts won't sail into Cape Verde off Africa at all.

Panama is not as safe as it used to be but the boat and business owners bought night vision equipment and radios. Thefts of outboard motors decreased after one bar owner was shown a pair of vice-grip pliers by people who walked into his shed and retrieved their outboard motor.
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