Tucker Carlson : Mexico is the Hostile Foreign Power

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April 5th, 2018 at 11:02:35 AM permalink
Evenbob
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This is from a woman on another
forum I'm on, from earlier today:

"I just need some emotional support. I had terrible news from Mexico yesterday night: a dear friend was abducted, mugged and raped, and when he arrived completely shocked to the public hospital, the police beat him and broke his wrist, because they thought he was a male prostitute (which, of course, doesn’t justify anything, but being homosexual in Mexico is still very difficult)."

This surprises me, I thought attitudes
towards Gay men were not this hostile.
Gay marriage is legal in Mexico I thought.
I have no idea where in Mexico this
incident took place.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 5th, 2018 at 11:32:48 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Evenbob
This is from a woman on another
forum I'm on, from earlier today:

"I just need some emotional support. I had terrible news from Mexico yesterday night: a dear friend was abducted, mugged and raped, and when he arrived completely shocked to the public hospital, the police beat him and broke his wrist, because they thought he was a male prostitute (which, of course, doesn’t justify anything, but being homosexual in Mexico is still very difficult)."

This surprises me, I thought attitudes
towards Gay men were not this hostile.
Gay marriage is legal in Mexico I thought.
I have no idea where in Mexico this
incident took place.


My take is mexicans treat masculinity far more serious than does the USA. I have never noticed Mexico giving off a homophile vibe.
The President is a fink.
April 5th, 2018 at 12:09:10 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
My take is mexicans treat masculinity far more serious than does the USA. I have never noticed Mexico giving off a homophile vibe.


The general rule in Mexico is don't go in a cantina with a traditional swinging door if you are gay or a woman. Either way you will probably get in trouble.


I was also surprised to see a bar in Oaxaca City called "La Morena". I assumed it meant that brown people were welcome, but they didn't throw me out.


The gay districts are fairly prominent in the bigger cities like Guadalajara or Mexico City, and downtown Puerto Vallarta is almost entirely gay (although that seems to be the tourist niche as well). The gay districts of the smaller cities are less obvious, but most people know where they are.

The Muxes are a well known group of indigenous gay men that are in the isthmus region. Their carnivals are very popular with American gays because they are part of what is essentially a Pre-Colombian civilization.
April 5th, 2018 at 1:50:36 PM permalink
Evenbob
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This is how desperate Mexico is to ship
all the criminals north of the border:

Mexican Senate Threatens to Stop Helping U.S. Against Drug Cartels If Trump Deploys Troops to Border
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 5th, 2018 at 2:08:04 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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The famous 19 page pamphlet (link enclosed) published in 2005 was an attempt by the Mexican government to reduce the loss of life. It was not a recommendation to cross illegally.

It states very clearly that the safe way to enter another country is to obtain a passport and a visa.


Yet the same Mexico has inserted itself into the USA legal system to help their illegal migrants. Don't buy it when Mexico says they do not want their people going to the USA illegally. I don't.
The President is a fink.
April 5th, 2018 at 6:10:23 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Pew Center believes unauthorized immigrants peaked in 2007 at 12.2 million, when this group was 4% of the U.S. population.

The center's preliminary estimate of the unauthorized immigrant population in 2016 is 11.3 million, which is statistically no different from the 2009 or 2015 estimates

There were 5.6 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2015 and 2016, down from 6.4 million in 2009. From 2009 to 2015, the number of unauthorized immigrants from Asia and Central America rose. Increases in the number from other countries have mostly offset the decline in the number from Mexico (and a relatively small decrease in the number from South America).

Quote: AZDuffman
Yet the same Mexico has inserted itself into the USA legal system to help their illegal migrants.


While the number is declining, the total of illegal Mexican immigrants is still 5.6 million, a number equal to a large metropolitan area. I have no doubt that Mexico is concerned about these people, just as they are concerned with the estimated 36 million Mexican Americans here legally. Using the combined number, more than 1 in 4 Mexican people lives in the US.

Quote: AZDuffman
Don't buy it when Mexico says they do not want their people going to the USA illegally. I don't.


I don't find it contradictory that the Mexican government is concerned about such a large percentage of their people living in the US (legally or illegally) while at the same time not wanting to add to the illegal numbers. Now that the fertility rate is down to a manageable number, they are concerned with building up Mexico.
April 6th, 2018 at 2:16:05 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin


While the number is declining, the total of illegal Mexican immigrants is still 5.6 million, a number equal to a large metropolitan area. I have no doubt that Mexico is concerned about these people, just as they are concerned with the estimated 36 million Mexican Americans here legally. Using the combined number, more than 1 in 4 Mexican people lives in the US.


This goes back to the "borderlands" concept I mentioned some time back. Most of those Mexicans are in the southwest, large plurality in CA. Those areas will continue to Mexicanize, even if the official border stays the same.


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I don't find it contradictory that the Mexican government is concerned about such a large percentage of their people living in the US (legally or illegally) while at the same time not wanting to add to the illegal numbers. Now that the fertility rate is down to a manageable number, they are concerned with building up Mexico.


But too many Americans do not understand that Mexico is naturally always going to pursue a Mexico-first policy. Same ones that think Trump's "America First" stance is "racist" will be the ones to really not get it. Why is Mexico so against a wall if they are not wanting their people to leave illegally?

What would the Mexican economy be without remittances and dope money? How much of their progress the last 25 years gets wiped out?
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April 6th, 2018 at 6:00:56 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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What would the Mexican economy be without remittances and dope money? How much of their progress the last 25 years gets wiped out?


Certainly the Mexican economy is less dependent on remittances than other economies. El Salvador abandoned their own currency , "the colon", in favor of the USD when they calculated their seignorage from producing their own money was being overshadowed by exchanging remittance money from USD to Colons. They now use the USD as their currency and collect no seignorage.

Relative rank by dependence on remittances
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica
El Salvador
Guatemala
Nicaragua
Guyana
Dominican Republic
Belize
Bolivia
Ecuador
Mexico
Paraguay
Colombia
Peru
Panama
Costa Rica
Trinidad y Tobago
Brazil
Uruguay
Argentina
Suriname

Of course, because Mexico has a much bigger economy than any country except Brazil, a small percentage of Mexico's GDP is a large percentage of the absolute value of remittance money. But Mexico has a trillion dollar GDP, so you are still talking about roughly 2.5% of GDP.


Quote: AZDuffman
Why is Mexico so against a wall if they are not wanting their people to leave illegally?


One of the arguments for the wall is that while the number of illegal Mexican immigrants is declining, they are largely being replaced by people from other countries, but they are still coming through the southern border by land crossings (as opposed to sea or air).

My question is how much are you paying per person caught? It's similar question to asking how much it costs to incarcerate people.
April 6th, 2018 at 6:21:21 AM permalink
Nareed
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Breaking news:

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mexico-agrees-to-pay-for-trumps-psychiatric-care

But I say there should be no deal unless it includes long-term commitment in a psychiatric hospital.
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April 7th, 2018 at 11:35:41 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Estimated remittance money sent to each country for countries that received over $1 billion last year. Mexico is obviously #1 for total amount received at $28 billion.
But per person, the countries in Central America and the Caribbean are much higher.


$14,513 Bermuda $1,033,000,000 | 71,176
$678 El Salvador $4,194,000,000 | 6,187,271
$577 Jamaica $1,737,000,000 | 3,010,762
$429 Guatemala $6,756,000,000 | 15,730,576
$376 Dominican Rep $4,088,000,000 | 10,860,656
$367 Honduras $3,369,000,000 | 9,182,766
$223 Mexico $28,126,000,000 | 125,959,205
$133 Haiti $1,433,000,000 | 10,788,440
$68 Ecuador $1,125,000,000 | 16,498,502
$32 Colombia $1,537,000,000 | 48,168,996
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$203 Lebanon $1,237,000,000 | 6,100,075
$99 Philippines $10,536,000,000 | 105,893,381
$69 Vietnam $6,668,000,000 | 97,040,334
$56 Korea,South $2,862,000,000 | 51,418,097
$35 Germany $2,776,000,000 | 80,457,737
$34 France $2,280,000,000 | 67,364,357
$29 Nigeria $5,668,000,000 | 195,300,343
$25 Thailand $1,733,000,000 | 68,615,858
$22 Italy $1,374,000,000 | 62,246,674
$11 China $15,418,000,000 | 1,384,688,986
$11 Japan $1,328,000,000 | 126,168,156
$8 India $10,657,000,000 | 1,296,834,042
$6 Pakistan $1,330,000,000 | 207,862,518
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