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March 30th, 2018 at 3:44:08 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: FrGamble
No guilt in Heaven because there is no sin.
So you think it's like Vegas?
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
March 30th, 2018 at 3:48:38 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
No guilt in Heaven because there is no sin.


No sin here either, no god to sin
against. No need for guilt at all.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 30th, 2018 at 4:13:18 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
No sin here either, no god to sin
against. No need for guilt at all.


That is the kind of mentality serial killers have. Do you think there is no "sin" in driving drunk and killing innocent people? I'd certainly feel guilty about it and not out of religious reasons but for harming my fellow man.
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March 30th, 2018 at 5:38:20 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Wizard
Do you think there is no "sin" in driving drunk


It's grossly irresponsible to drink and
drive, but god could care less because
he doesn't exist.

Does drunk driving offend god, because
that's what sin is.

sin: a transgression against divine law

sin: disobedience to the known will of God

There is no god. I have yet to read
or hear what sins Jesus died for.
The more FrG explains it, the less
sense it makes.

Quote:
I'd certainly feel guilty about it and not out of religious reasons but for harming my fellow man


That has nothing to do with sin.
Morality is from us, not from
some non existent god. Atheists
are some of the most moral people
on earth.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 30th, 2018 at 6:30:05 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Bob, first of all there is a God. Secondly, Jesus Christ died for all the sins of humanity; past, present, and future. All of them. Is this clear?

Even if you don't yet get where morality comes from I am glad you realize the reality of sin as doing something we know we shouldn't do and the natural feelings of guilt believers and unbelievers feel as a result of these transgressions that everyone understands as sins. I get that you have your favorite theological definition but you at least obviously understand the concept.
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March 30th, 2018 at 6:39:27 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
That has nothing to do with sin.
Morality is from us, not from
some non existent god. Atheists
are some of the most moral people
on earth.


Earlier you wrote, "no need for guilt at all." This doesn't seem to jive with the post above. If you got drunk, killed a straight-A college student, would you feel guilt?
Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
March 30th, 2018 at 6:50:27 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Wizard
would you feel guilt?


I don't drink and drive, ever. I'm not big
on guilt, I try and avoid things that I know
are improper and would make me feel
guilt later.

Guilt is a funny emotion. Once you have
it, there is no place to go with it to get
relief. This is why Xtionity uses guilt
as a tool, if they can make you feel
guilty, they have you. They know you
can't make the guilt go away, so they
trick you with their fake god into thinking
the god will forgive you if you just do
what the religion says. That's why so
many ex Catholics say it took them years
to get over the guilt the Church instilled in
them all their lives..

Want to be guilt free? Don't cheat on your
wife, don't kick dogs or small children, be
nice to old people, don't steal your relatives
social security check. Don't do things that
you know are against your moral code and
you'll have nothing to feel guilty about.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 30th, 2018 at 6:52:45 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Bob, first of all there is a God.


Prove it. Oops, I forgot, you already tried
that and failed. All you're left with is faith,
and that and a dollar will get you a cheese
burger off the dollar menu at McD's.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 30th, 2018 at 7:06:52 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: Wizard
If you got drunk, killed a straight-A college student, would you feel guilt?
If you were driving at night and a B student got in front of your car while you were completely sober and you killed them, would you feel guilt?
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
March 30th, 2018 at 7:21:45 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: petroglyph
If you were driving at night and a B student got in front of your car while you were completely sober and you killed them, would you feel guilt?


No. Sounds like his fault. Maybe if he was an A student though ;-).
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