License to print money... BitCoin?
| July 1st, 2017 at 2:22:01 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | No body much cares about the rural poor. |
| July 8th, 2017 at 12:35:28 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | As of 30 June, 2017 Sweden's old banknotes are no longer valid. New banknotes are worth 44.3 billion SEK.. On 30 April 2017, the Riksbank owned 125.7 tons of gold. At the same date, the market value of the gold was 45.4 billion SEK. Millions of banknotes of each denomination (population 10 million) Expressed in million of crowns: 1,043 kr + 1,078 kr + 3,100 kr + 7,233 kr + 28,294 kr + 3,510 kr = 44,258 kr So for the first time in decades a country's gold is actually more valuable than it's banknotes. Sweden has 4,041,348.8 troy ounces of gold or about 0.4 troy ounces per capita. USA has about 0.8 troy ounces per capita, which is almost the same as net worth of all banknotes of denominations less than $100. Hungary's central bank is stepping up campaign against OneCoin, a crypto currency which they are saying is a Ponzi scheme. Actually the creator of bitcoin is rumored to be sitting on a billion dollars of bitcoin, in what could be the greatest Ponzi scheme in history. |
| July 10th, 2017 at 4:45:42 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Please clarify. Are you saying that Hungary's central bank believes the founder of OneCoin is sitting on a Billion Dollars of OneCoin or that the founder(s) of BitCoin are sitting on a Billion Dollars of BitCoin? I guess the easiest way to counterfeit a crypto currency is to invent it in the first place. |
| July 10th, 2017 at 5:40:52 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Hungary is a small country of roughly 10 million (like Sweden) that is circulating €14.7 billion in Hungarian florint banknotes. They are part of the European union bound by agreement to eventually join the European Monetary Union circulating €1,126.1 billion in banknotes. Understandably the people are afraid to be part of the big monetary union which might crash. So they are looking for alternatives. Crypto currencies are attractive, and One Coin is a new one. The government is concerned about crypto currencies in general, and OneCoin in particular. Many people believe that cryptocurrencies are the wave of the future, and others believe they are Ponzi scheme. Similar to Ponzi schemes, crypto currencies are initially nearly worthless, and they grow exponentially in value without necessarily creating something of value like a corporation. For example, some people believe that the founder of bitcoin kept a pile to himself when he created them and they were worthless. Those bitcoins could be worth over a billion dollars today, making him the most profitable schemer in history. It would be natural to assume that the inventor kept some to himself. It took two years until they traded at $1 a bitcoin.. Bitcoins are trading at $2390.77 apiece and there are 16,440,075 of them. If the founder kept a million bitcoins when they were worth a fraction of a penny, his stack is potentially worth $2.4 billion. Of course he would have to sell them slowly so as not to crash the market. |
| July 24th, 2017 at 11:25:00 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | I don't know how people can trust E currency? http://thehackernews.com/2017/07/sweden-data-breach.html The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| July 25th, 2017 at 5:16:43 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | There are many people who claim that physical cash can be used to be more frugal. They point to the super high debt-to-income ratio in Scandinavia as an example.
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| July 27th, 2017 at 11:13:49 AM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | I think this story is far from over. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/swedish-prime-minister-clings-on-to-power-as-cabinet-reshuffled How can the country have such a data breach and still have faith in their digital money? With that much info now open source and months before the exposure is closed, people are bound to lose funding left in digital storage. It probably won't be front page news over here. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| July 30th, 2017 at 11:13:43 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | If a country gets in massive trouble it frequently pegs it's currency to a larger currency for a period of time. The peg usually encourages price stability. For example in the 1994 currency crisis the Mexican peso was pegged to the US dollar. If Sweden has a digital currency, it could more easily peg to the Euro for short terms. If it pegs at 10:1 for a long enough time, then Euro banknotes would circulate within Sweden. 500 SEK ~ 50 EUR (within 5%) at current exchange rate ![]() ![]() 500 SEK banknotes circulate at a rate of less than 6 banknotes per Swedish citizen, and represent 64% of the value of all Swedish banknotes 50 EURO banknotes circulate at a rate of less than 28 banknotes per Euro Zone citizen, and represent 41% of the value of all Euro banknotes |
| August 1st, 2017 at 6:21:50 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | 500 SEK ~ 50 GBP (within 7%) at current exchange rate ![]() ![]() Both banknotes are circulating at the rate of roughly 6 banknotes per capita in their respective country. It remains to be seen which one is phased out first. Both banknotes are relatively new, Introduced Nov 2, 2011, old banknote invalid as of Apr 30, 2014 (50 GBP note) Introduced Oct 1, 2016, old banknote invalid as of June 30, 2017 (500 SEK note) old bills can still be deposited in bank accounts through 2018 |
| August 2nd, 2017 at 4:30:31 AM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Administrative rift splits bitcoin into two separate types of currency. |




