License to print money... BitCoin?

July 1st, 2017 at 2:22:01 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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What about the poor in the rural areas?
No body much cares about the rural poor.
July 8th, 2017 at 12:35:28 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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As of 30 June, 2017 Sweden's old banknotes are no longer valid. New banknotes are worth 44.3 billion SEK.. On 30 April 2017, the Riksbank owned 125.7 tons of gold. At the same date, the market value of the gold was 45.4 billion SEK.

Millions of banknotes of each denomination (population 10 million)
June 2017: Denom : Dec 2014
3.5 : 1000 kr : 6.2 only circulating in token quantities
56.6 : 500 kr : 114.4 more than 50% reduction
36.2 : 200 kr : N/A
31.0 : 100 kr : 92.2 two denominations only 10% more than the one denomination n 2014
21.6 : 50 kr : 21.9 virtually no change
52.2 : 20 kr : 86.9 significant reduction in number of smallest denomination banknote
201.1 : TOTAL : 321.6


Expressed in million of crowns: 1,043 kr + 1,078 kr + 3,100 kr + 7,233 kr + 28,294 kr + 3,510 kr = 44,258 kr

So for the first time in decades a country's gold is actually more valuable than it's banknotes.
Sweden has 4,041,348.8 troy ounces of gold or about 0.4 troy ounces per capita. USA has about 0.8 troy ounces per capita, which is almost the same as net worth of all banknotes of denominations less than $100.


Hungary's central bank is stepping up campaign against OneCoin, a crypto currency which they are saying is a Ponzi scheme. Actually the creator of bitcoin is rumored to be sitting on a billion dollars of bitcoin, in what could be the greatest Ponzi scheme in history.
July 10th, 2017 at 4:45:42 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Hungary's central bank is stepping up campaign against OneCoin, a crypto currency which they are saying is a Ponzi scheme. Actually the creator of bitcoin is rumored to be sitting on a billion dollars of bitcoin, in what could be the greatest Ponzi scheme in history.
Please clarify.

Are you saying that Hungary's central bank believes the founder of OneCoin is sitting on a Billion Dollars of OneCoin or that the founder(s) of BitCoin are sitting on a Billion Dollars of BitCoin?

I guess the easiest way to counterfeit a crypto currency is to invent it in the first place.
July 10th, 2017 at 5:40:52 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Fleastiff
Please clarify.


Hungary is a small country of roughly 10 million (like Sweden) that is circulating €14.7 billion in Hungarian florint banknotes. They are part of the European union bound by agreement to eventually join the European Monetary Union circulating €1,126.1 billion in banknotes. Understandably the people are afraid to be part of the big monetary union which might crash. So they are looking for alternatives.

Crypto currencies are attractive, and One Coin is a new one. The government is concerned about crypto currencies in general, and OneCoin in particular.

Many people believe that cryptocurrencies are the wave of the future, and others believe they are Ponzi scheme. Similar to Ponzi schemes, crypto currencies are initially nearly worthless, and they grow exponentially in value without necessarily creating something of value like a corporation.

For example, some people believe that the founder of bitcoin kept a pile to himself when he created them and they were worthless. Those bitcoins could be worth over a billion dollars today, making him the most profitable schemer in history.

It would be natural to assume that the inventor kept some to himself. It took two years until they traded at $1 a bitcoin.. Bitcoins are trading at $2390.77 apiece and there are 16,440,075 of them. If the founder kept a million bitcoins when they were worth a fraction of a penny, his stack is potentially worth $2.4 billion. Of course he would have to sell them slowly so as not to crash the market.
July 24th, 2017 at 11:25:00 PM permalink
petroglyph
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I don't know how people can trust E currency? http://thehackernews.com/2017/07/sweden-data-breach.html
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
July 25th, 2017 at 5:16:43 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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There are many people who claim that physical cash can be used to be more frugal. They point to the super high debt-to-income ratio in Scandinavia as an example.

Quote: Business Insider:Eurostat compared total debt per household, compared to the average income per household to produce a debt-to-income ratio. It's that data we've used to generate a ranking of the European countries where people have the most debt.

23. Lithuania — 34.25%. The small Baltic nation does pretty well when it comes to household debt, with the average household holding just over a third of the European average.
22. Latvia — 43.8%. Lithuania's next door neighbour also scores pretty well when it comes to household debt. Latvia recently elected a new government which, according to ratings agency Fitch, is pursuing "deficit and debt reduction and economic reform," so things might get even better.
21. Slovenia — 45.92%. Eurostat's data shows debt levels in Slovenian households are close to half of household incomes, a relatively low level for Europe. According to recent data, Slovenia is "currently experiencing macroeconomic imbalances."
20. Hungary — 46.15%. While household debt is relatively low in Hungary compared to bigger European nations, the country is not without debt issues. Hungarian sovereign debt is firmly in "junk" territory, thanks in part to the unpredictable policies of president Viktor Orban.
19. Slovakia — 50.69%. Household debt held in Slovakia has jumped 2% in comparison to incomes since 2012, when it was just 45%. The country held a general election in February.
18. Czech Republic — 57.38%. Household debt to incomes is fairly stable in the Czech Republic, although it has grown around 2% in the past couple of years.
17. Poland — 58.13%. The amount of debt held by households in Poland has surged since the country joined the EU in 2004, something which sent the number of people looking to buy homes soaring.
16. Italy — 62.63%. As well as high levels of household debt, Italy's proportion of debt to GDP is the second highest in the eurozone. That figure spiked in 2015 because the Treasury increased its available liquidity.
15. Estonia — 70.18%. As with most other nations on this list, the vast majority of Estonia's household debt is held in mortgages and household loans, something which is being driven by a booming housing market and by low interest rates. Estonians hold far more debt than their Baltic neighbours Lithuania and Latvia.
14. Austria — 82.69%. Austria may have a pretty substantial level of household debt when compared to income, but government debt in the country compared to income is even worse. Government debt has spiked from 72.5% of GDP in 2010 to nearly 86% now.
13. Germany — 82.78%. Households in Europe's largest economy hold less debt than the euro area average of 96.57%, but on a global scale Germans still have a huge amount of debt. Angela Merkel recently used the country's experiences of Europe's "household debt crisis" as a reason why Britain should integrate more with the EU.
12. France — 86.14%. The level of debt held by French households has been steadily increasing in the past decade. In 2006, the figure stood at 68.66%.
11. Belgium — 98.87%. The amount of household debt compared to incomes in Belgium has increased from 94.31% at the last reading taken by Eurostat.
10. Finland — 109.97%. Mortgages make up a particularly large proportion of the household debts held by Finns. According to the country's statistical agency, the average housing loan in Finland is 181% of annual household income.
9. Spain — 112.3%. Earlier in March, the European Commission warned that Spain's economy is being weakened by "large stock imbalances in the form of external and internal debt, both public and private." Household debt plays a huge role in that weakness.
8. Portugal — 116.39%. Towards the end of 2015, total combined debt in Portugal reached 360% of the country's GDP.
7. United Kingdom — 125.87%. According to data from the Money Charity, households in the UK hold an average of £54,080 of debt right now.
6. Sweden — 148.68%. Household debt in Sweden is on the rise which, according to the IMF, is helping fuel a growing housing bubble in the Nordic state. Sweden's economy is currently being defined by persistently low inflation, something the country's central bank is trying to combat with negative interest rates
5. Ireland — 179.55%. Ireland's household debt burden is actually falling at the minute, dropping to €33,530 per capita at last estimate, however, that's nearly twice the average disposable income in the country.
4. Norway — 187.47%. Norway may often by cited as the most prosperous nation on earth, but that doesn't stop its average citizens from being heavily indebted.
3. Cyprus — 202.45%. Cyprus is one of just three countries in Europe to have a debt-to-income ratio for households of more than 200%.
2. Netherlands — 214.45%. Estimates from the Netherlands' national statistical agency put the total debt held by Dutch households at more than €740 billion last year, around €100 billion less than the country's total GDP.
Laurent Dubrule/Reuters
1. Denmark — 265.11%. Standing head and shoulders above the rest of Europe, Danes have by far the most debt of anyone on the continent, and in fact, the world. However, the governor of the Danish central bank, Lars Rohde isn't worried. In a 2014 interview he said that the threat to financial stability posed by high household debt is "not serious."
REUTERS/Alexander Demianchuk
http://www.businessinsider.com/eurostat-data-on-household-debt-2016-3/#7-united-kingdom--12587-according-to-data-from-the-money-charity-households-in-the-uk-hold-an-average-of-54080-of-debt-right-now-17
July 27th, 2017 at 11:13:49 AM permalink
petroglyph
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I don't know how people can trust E currency? http://thehackernews.com/2017/07/sweden-data-breach.html
I think this story is far from over. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/swedish-prime-minister-clings-on-to-power-as-cabinet-reshuffled

How can the country have such a data breach and still have faith in their digital money? With that much info now open source and months before the exposure is closed, people are bound to lose funding left in digital storage. It probably won't be front page news over here.
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
July 30th, 2017 at 11:13:43 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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If a country gets in massive trouble it frequently pegs it's currency to a larger currency for a period of time. The peg usually encourages price stability. For example in the 1994 currency crisis the Mexican peso was pegged to the US dollar.

If Sweden has a digital currency, it could more easily peg to the Euro for short terms. If it pegs at 10:1 for a long enough time, then Euro banknotes would circulate within Sweden.

500 SEK ~ 50 EUR (within 5%) at current exchange rate



500 SEK banknotes circulate at a rate of less than 6 banknotes per Swedish citizen, and represent 64% of the value of all Swedish banknotes
50 EURO banknotes circulate at a rate of less than 28 banknotes per Euro Zone citizen, and represent 41% of the value of all Euro banknotes
August 1st, 2017 at 6:21:50 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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500 SEK ~ 50 GBP (within 7%) at current exchange rate



Both banknotes are circulating at the rate of roughly 6 banknotes per capita in their respective country. It remains to be seen which one is phased out first.

Both banknotes are relatively new,

Introduced Nov 2, 2011, old banknote invalid as of Apr 30, 2014 (50 GBP note)
Introduced Oct 1, 2016, old banknote invalid as of June 30, 2017 (500 SEK note) old bills can still be deposited in bank accounts through 2018
August 2nd, 2017 at 4:30:31 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Administrative rift splits bitcoin into two separate types of currency.