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November 30th, 2017 at 5:56:19 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: kenarman
Henry Ford did.


Don't believe that hype. He only paid more to get them to show up and stay on. He had to hire 50 or more a week to stay staffed, and perhaps 100 would just not show up to work each and every day. He charged less to expand his market, not to be some good person.

He got to be a very awful human being as he got older. Had he not abused his son to an early death and let him take over there might never have been GM, Ford would have owned the market.
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November 30th, 2017 at 10:03:24 PM permalink
beachbumbabs
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This thread. Wow. I've only gotten this far,
but JEEZZZUSS, guys.

Quote: AZDuffman
I have only worked in a few, but in the ones I have worked women could always own their own property. I really think it is feminist legend that they were not allowed to do so. There were dower laws, but that was to protect the heirs as well as the widow.


I married in 1996. We moved to Florida in 1997. I sold the house I owned pre-marriage and bought in Florida. I got the mortgage solely in my own name. I paid every payment, from a checking account that only I owned.

The house was still deeded to both of us by Florida law. He never paid a penny on it. I could not sell it without his approval.

We chose well, and the house tripled in value the 10 years we had it. Then came the divorce. And I had to buy out his equity to complete the divorce. The equity he had not in any way earned.

Had he been the buyer, and the mortgagee, I would not have been required to be listed as co-owner of the house. In 1997. So, no, not legend.
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December 1st, 2017 at 6:42:46 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: beachbumbabs
The house was still deeded to both of us by Florida law.


that law was probably written to protect women.
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December 1st, 2017 at 7:16:35 AM permalink
beachbumbabs
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Quote: odiousgambit
that law was probably written to protect women.


Perhaps, but the point was, it's a one-way law. As a married WOMAN, I was not allowed to own property in solely my name. Had it been him, I was not required to be on the title.
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December 1st, 2017 at 8:21:09 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: beachbumbabs
This thread. Wow. I've only gotten this far,
but JEEZZZUSS, guys.

I married in 1996. We moved to Florida in 1997. I sold the house I owned pre-marriage and bought in Florida. I got the mortgage solely in my own name. I paid every payment, from a checking account that only I owned.

The house was still deeded to both of us by Florida law. He never paid a penny on it. I could not sell it without his approval.


First, if his name was on title of course you could not sell it without his approval. And he could not sell it without your approval. This is how title works.

I don't get what you mean "deeded to both of you by Florida law." You could have bought the house in your name only and told him he was not welcome on the title unless he paid something in. His reaction might not have been the best, and I'm sure you would scream if a guy told that to his new wife. But I have never once heard of any US State where a married person cannot own real property sole and separate.

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We chose well, and the house tripled in value the 10 years we had it. Then came the divorce. And I had to buy out his equity to complete the divorce. The equity he had not in any way earned.

Had he been the buyer, and the mortgagee, I would not have been required to be listed as co-owner of the house. In 1997. So, no, not legend.


Does not matter if he "earned" it or not. He was on title, you have to buy him out. In that regard, welcome to the world of what usually happens to men. I've seen women do worse to the guys.

Back to the subject, I am thinking your legal advice was bad. You are asking me to believe a law existed that treated men and women different as late as 1997? I am not buying that. Did a lawyer "suggest" that both of you be on title? I have been doing this stuff for 15 years and your story to me is full of holes.
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December 1st, 2017 at 8:35:54 AM permalink
beachbumbabs
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I'm just telling you what happened. We had been married only 7 months at the time. There was no realistic way to fight the law about it without destroying the relationship.

It would have been perfectly fine with him if we kept it in my name. We had a pre-nup that specified assets would stay with the person who brought and/or built them. But the title company would not close without a joint deed. They showed us the applicable law at the time. And so it was done.
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December 1st, 2017 at 8:50:27 AM permalink
JimRockford
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I miss Buzz. I think it's understood why he doesn't post anymore. Hope he's holding up okay.
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December 1st, 2017 at 8:51:31 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: beachbumbabs
I'm just telling you what happened. We had been married only 7 months at the time. There was no realistic way to fight the law about it without destroying the relationship.

It would have been perfectly fine with him if we kept it in my name. We had a pre-nup that specified assets would stay with the person who brought and/or built them. But the title company would not close without a joint deed. They showed us the applicable law at the time. And so it was done.


I can't tell the exact date this was passed, appears to be between 1943 and 1983. At the least it looks like as of 1968 the Florida Constitution allowed you to do this sole and separate. Should have had the title company file a quit-claim deed after closing if this was an issue.


Quote: Florida Law


708.08 Married women’s rights; separate property.—
(1) Every married woman is empowered to take charge of and manage and control her separate property, to contract and to be contracted with, to sue and be sued, to sell, convey, transfer, mortgage, use, and pledge her real and personal property and to make, execute, and deliver instruments of every character without the joinder or consent of her husband in all respects as fully as if she were unmarried. Every married woman has and may exercise all rights and powers with respect to her separate property, income, and earnings and may enter into, obligate herself to perform, and enforce contracts or undertakings to the same extent and in like manner as if she were unmarried and without the joinder or consent of her husband. All conveyances, contracts, transfers, or mortgages of real property or any interest in it executed by a married woman without the joinder of her husband before or after the effective date of the 1968 Constitution of Florida are as valid and effective as though the husband had joined.
(2) Any married woman who conveyed or mortgaged her separate real property without the joinder of her husband before the effective date of the 1968 State Constitution, and any person claiming by, through, or under her, shall have 2 years after June 2, 1983, to file a notice of lis pendens and to bring an action based on the nonjoinder of the husband contesting the validity of any such conveyance or mortgage; and, if the action is not brought and a notice of lis pendens is not filed within the time allowed, she, and any person claiming by, through, or under her, shall be forever barred from bringing an action to contest the validity of the conveyance or mortgage. This subsection shall not be construed to revive any action that has been barred.
History.—s. 1, ch. 21932, 1943; s. 2, ch. 70-4; s. 1, ch. 83-67.
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December 1st, 2017 at 9:25:08 AM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: AZDuffman
Don't believe that hype. He only paid more to get them to show up and stay on. He had to hire 50 or more a week to stay staffed, and perhaps 100 would just not show up to work each and every day. He charged less to expand his market, not to be some good person.

He got to be a very awful human being as he got older. Had he not abused his son to an early death and let him take over there might never have been GM, Ford would have owned the market.


Rather interesting AZD that you should say "He only paid more to get them to show up and stay on". I thought you were the free labour market guy here and have numerous times said that is the way it should work.

He also kept decreasing the price, we can argue if it was altruistic or profit motive as a reason but we can agree the price kept going down. That was the point of my post.
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December 1st, 2017 at 10:35:42 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: kenarman
Rather interesting AZD that you should say "He only paid more to get them to show up and stay on". I thought you were the free labour market guy here and have numerous times said that is the way it should work.


That is the way it should work. Why does Costco pay more than WMT? Besides being more productive, they want their pick of applicants. Old Man Henry paid them not to be a nice guy, not to "let them buy his cars," and for no other of the reasons we hear.

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He also kept decreasing the price, we can argue if it was altruistic or profit motive as a reason but we can agree the price kept going down. That was the point of my post.


True. Early version of what we have now in electronics.
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