Bombardier CS100
October 15th, 2017 at 10:10:38 AM permalink | |
kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4515 | Air Canada has both Bombardier and Embraer planes in its fleet through it's regional Jazz subsidiary. I flew VYR to San Diego earlier this year on a Bombardier with a little over 100 seats. I forget the exact model. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
October 15th, 2017 at 12:44:18 PM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Bombardier "Architect" just debuted Interior cabin mockup displayed. |
October 15th, 2017 at 5:09:13 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Price of the Architect is $72.8 million which exceeds the price of the Gulfstream G650ER $68.68 million. Range of 7400 nmi matches the Gulfstream G650ER introduced in 2014 with range 7500 nmi. Bombardier interior Gulfstream G550 interior The ultimate long range business jet is the 10,000 + nmi of the ACJ (Airbus Corporate Jet) 350. In typical executive configuration with 25 passengers is matched only by it's spectacular price. |
October 16th, 2017 at 12:45:36 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
It has a short runway that can't support side bodies. the only transatlantic flight from/to LCY is BA's banker's shuttle in two of the few existing A318s, in an all-business class configuration. So there isn't much supply. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
October 16th, 2017 at 6:12:09 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
BA has retired one of their A318s so now they only have one flight per day with 32 seats. From John F. Kennedy Intl. (JFK) To London City (LCY) 6:25 pm 6:50 am 7h 25m, Nonstop From London City (LCY) To John F. Kennedy Intl. (JFK) 9:40 am to 2:05 pm 9h 25m, 1 stop at SNN |
October 16th, 2017 at 7:56:13 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | Back on topic, Airbus and the C Series are engaged to be married: https://airwaysmag.com/industry/analysis-airbus-acquires-controlling-stake-in-bombardier-cseries/ Boeing is screwed. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
October 17th, 2017 at 1:43:31 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | It is not at all hyperbolic to say that this may be the most impactful commercial aircraft acquisition since the Boeing-McDonnell Douglas merger in 1998. http://www.aircraft.airbus.com/aircraftfamilies/passengeraircraft/a320family/a319neo/ Needless to say Airbus will convert their 51 orders for the A319neo to CS300s 26 January 2012 Avianca 20 8 November 2011 Frontier Airlines 18 N/A Undisclosed customers 10 N/A Governments; Executive and Private Jets 3 That will make Frontier Airlines the third USA airline to order Bombardier jets as Republic Airways also has 40 CS300s on order. At this point Boeing probably should abandon plans for the poorly selling MAX-7, MAX9, and MAX-10 variants and just produce the MAX-8 while Boeing returns to 2006 and has their engineers begin work on a new small airplane (NSA) to replace the Boeing 737 family.
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October 17th, 2017 at 4:00:18 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Boeing's net Orders through October 10, 2017 for the B737 Max have been + 297 this year. My guess is you will not see that statistic budge by much through 1 Jan 2018. That is less than 7 years at current production rate. Peak years for orders were 2012 and 2014 2011 150 2012 908 2013 708 2014 890 2015 409 2016 540 2017 297 Total 3902 It's difficult to say for certain since so many customers are unidentified, or being bought by airplane leasing companies, but it seems like less than 10% of the B737 MAX orders listed on Boeing's website are going to European airlines. The primary European orders are for Norwegian, Ryanair, and TUI travel (a British travel group), Orders Customer Name (Unidentified & Leasing companies) 774 Unidentified Customer(s) 170 GECAS 130 Air Lease Corporation 100 AerCap 90 SMBC Aviation Capital 80 Aviation Capital Group 71 BOC Aviation Limited 50 CALC - China 37 CIT Aerospace LLC 30 China Development Bank Fin. 22 Timaero Ireland Limited 20 ALAFCO 20 Avolon - Ireland 16 Business Jet / VIP Customer(s) 2 ICBC Leasing 1612 Orders Customer Name(Airlines) 201 Lion Air 200 Southwest Airlines 142 SpiceJet 135 United Airlines 110 Norwegian 110 Ryanair 100 American Airlines 100 VietJet Air 76 flydubai 75 Jet Airways 75 Turkish Airlines 70 TUI Travel PLC 69 GOL Airlines 61 Air Canada 61 COPA Airlines 60 Aeromexico 50 China Southern Airlines 50 Garuda Indonesia 50 WestJet 40 Virgin Australia Airlines 37 SilkAir 36 Ruili Airlines 32 Alaska Airlines 32 Monarch Airlines 32 SunExpress Airlines 30 Ethiopian Airlines 30 Korean Air 25 Donghai Airlines 25 Malaysia Airlines 20 Air Europa 20 Oman Air (SAOC) 16 Icelandair 11 Aerolineas Argentinas 10 Eastern Air Lines Group, Inc. 10 JIA 9 Okay Airways Company Limited 8 Air China 8 Arik Air 8 Comair Limited 8 Nok Air 8 Primera Air 8 Travel Service 7 China Eastern 6 Blue Air 6 Enter Air Sp. z o.o. 5 Jetlines 4 Air Niugini 3 Hainan Airlines 1 Mauritania Airlines 2290 |
October 17th, 2017 at 6:56:05 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
It's not that easy, but that's the way to bet. I wonder how Embraer will do.
LOL! they should abandon the MAX 7, no question. And they should develop a competitor for the C Series, and move full steam ahead on the 797. But we all know the 797 will morph into the 737 ULTIMATE 1000, ULTIMATE 2000, AND ULTIMATE 2000ER. What Boeing may do is acquire or set up a joint venture with Embraer or COMAC. BTW, for any Atlas Shrugged fans, what Boeing did was akin to Boyle's Fair Share Law to keep Rearden from selling too much Rearden Metal :) Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
October 17th, 2017 at 9:32:42 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | Boeing dumping aside (and it's nice to see comeuppance delivered so swiftly), the reason the C Series and Airbus nuptials is great news, is that the C Series is a good plane, very passenger oriented. The 3-2 economy configuration renders the proportion of middle seats low (1/5th vs 1/3 in mainline narrow bodies). The larger windows make for a more spacious feel, and give a better view out. The middle seats that do exist are wider than the other seats, compensating for the purgatory position a bit. And the overhead luggage bins are huge for a plane its size. So it's not only that Boeing was trying to snuff out a potential competitor, or trying to save an inferior product (the MAX 7), but that it was also degrading the passenger experience on board. BTW, for those who did not read the engagement announcement's analysis on Airways, treaties with the EU forbid the kind of tariff imposed on the CS 100. As Airbus owns a controlling interest in the C Series now (50.1%), that's it. Additionally, Airbus announced plans to add a second assembly line for the C Series in Alabama (it already own an Airbus facility there). But that won't happen until later. The first few dozens will all come from Quebec. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |