Will God Survive Science
October 16th, 2017 at 5:23:43 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
You are still missing the point. If you are basing your beliefs on a story or stories, and those stories are shown to be untrue, then your beliefs are based on lies, or your beliefs are based on nothing. What I think happened, though, is that the stories were based on beliefs, and then people based their beliefs on the stories. It is another way that the original beliefs were based on nothing but wishful thinking. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
October 16th, 2017 at 5:30:39 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Yes, don't call it science. It is an example of how religion is trying to co-opt the very word science to give their beliefs some legitimacy. I did a web search for higher science and variations, and found several examples proclaiming what I said you were doing - trying to cast religious beliefs as science, and place them in a heirarchy in a position superior to actual science. That's just wrong. It is also an example of what we are talking about in this thread - using religion to try to control science and limit or deligitimize any findings which do not conform with their beliefs. If you want to call that stuff science, you better be prepared to have that stuff stand up to the rigors of actual science. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
October 16th, 2017 at 6:28:15 AM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | Speak for yourself, rodent. |
October 16th, 2017 at 6:38:08 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I very much want every discipline that pursues truth to stand up to the rigors of questions, logic, testing, experience, study, examination, etc. I think that studying music and learning to play a musical instrument is a science and it is rigorous. Same thing with the study of history. Theology is extremely rigorous and needs to stand up to the rigors and discoveries of "actual science" (who is being pejorative now, by the way). Again I call anything that strives to discover and explain truth as science. You would be very foolish to think only "actual science" does this. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 16th, 2017 at 6:41:39 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I am basing my beliefs on ideas. These ideas are based on observations, revelation, history, logic, and human experience. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 16th, 2017 at 7:22:57 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Way too broad of a definition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science Philosophy and theology are separate, and you can't just throw them together when it is convenient to you (these things are science!) and at the same time discard them when it isn't convenient (science can't provide the answers to these questions!) "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
October 16th, 2017 at 7:31:32 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Expanding more on how religion is in a war/battle/conflict with science where the beliefs are in conflict, In the United States, there are places where the theory of evolution is being removed from textbooks. There are places where creationism is being taught as science. There are places where creationism and evolution must be given equal time. There are places where evolution isn't even allowed to be taught. There are children who are being brought up with scientific knowledge suppressed, and being taught to believe things that conflict with their religious beliefs are wrong or false. This is one of the things that is holding back science. Those who get past it have lost a childhood of scientific curiosity, and those that don't get past it try to hold their children and everyone else back. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
October 16th, 2017 at 1:12:28 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I'm curious where these places are because I agree that such things are a tragedy. Atheists do not have a monopoly on poor thinking, it is obvious from your examples if they are still true that religious people don't always think clearly either. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 16th, 2017 at 1:15:57 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
The wikipedia definition doesn't see to fit philosophy or theology. The etymology of the word science however does seem to fit philosophy and theology. Do you doubt that philosophy, theology, or even art and music do not seek after, find, and express knowledge in their unique ways? Do you agree that the physical sciences have limitations on what knowledge they can seek after, find, and express? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 16th, 2017 at 1:28:50 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Theology is a branch of philosophy that thinks its the root, trunk, leaves and sun :) Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |