The Founder
August 5th, 2017 at 2:41:16 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18203 | "The Founder" is now on Netflix. Reminds me I still need to post the movie vs. reality. The President is a fink. |
August 5th, 2017 at 5:11:00 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 | I just finished The Founder a few days ago. Really like it. The kind of simple story-telling movie they don't make enough of. Michael Keaton did a great job. So did the McDonald brothers. At the beginning I found myself rooting for Kroc as he was struggling to sell blenders. I always tend to root for underdogs. However, as he became more and more successful he turned into a real scumbag. There is probably a correlation there -- the other way. Nice guys in business tend to not get too far. Also worth watching all the extra features, which went into the process of the making of the set and attention to all the little details of the movie. I didn't even know there is a museum at the sight of the original San Bernadino McDonalds. I'll have to check it out one of my next visits to southern California. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
August 5th, 2017 at 6:31:45 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18203 |
I agree on the simple/not enough of. Movie business is getting killed lately. Correlation?
IMHO, the movie made Kroc look worse that it should have. The brothers really did not cooperate with him, considering the gold mine he was delivering to them. The book paints a different picture. He was more of a guy who was loyal to his people, but if you cross him in the least, fugheddabaddit. For example, the fallout between him and Harry Sonneborn, the guy who made the profit-making land rental formula, is of legend. Harry's name was stricken from the record until very recently. Sonneborn for his part never walked into a McDonald's after they split, and cost himself maybe a billion dollars selling his stock too soon. OTOH, Sonneborn was a guy who quit his job without leaving, just gliding along after he lost interest. Founders are like this. Henry Ford and Steve Jobs to name two. Kroc knew enough to let someone else run the business day to day, probably knew he could be a SOB. EDIT: As to the CA museum, IIRC it is one of several "unsanctioned" ones. The real one is at Store #1, which is a rebuild of Kroc's first store. Not that this is a deal killer, just a FYI. The President is a fink. |
August 5th, 2017 at 6:56:37 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 | I'll admit to not knowing too much about the McDonald's story so can't find fault in any of the history. In the extras it makes it pretty clear that it the version told by the McDonald's heirs. It is my understanding that the "handshake" portion of the buyout is the McDonald's family version but Kroc's version denies it. What I find kind of strange is that when I was a kid going to McDonald's was like going to heaven for an hour. It was where most kids between 6 and 12 would have wanted to go for a birthday party. Today, I can't think of a single person who likes McDonalds, and that includes my three kids and their circle of friends. Yet, they are still all over the place. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
August 5th, 2017 at 7:21:29 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Think 'minorities'. The minority races in this country keep the fast food joints open, that's a fact. Especially McD's and Burger King. Especially low income blacks, some of them eat nowhere else. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fast-food-minority-communities_us_59035fb5e4b02655f83c9999 If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 5th, 2017 at 10:06:59 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | Just watched it. I was a little disappointed in the tone of the movie, it had the typical Hwood slant of the little guy getting crushed by a big corporation. To Croc's credit, he tried to do things correctly, but the McDoofus Bros dragged their feet the whole way. They were inventors, and like most inventors, they sucked as businessmen. Croc could have easily stole their idea and made it his own, but he didn't. They gave a lame ass reason why he didn't at the end, but the real reason was, he wasn't that kind of guy. He needed the Bros for absolutely nothing, he could have stolen it all right out from under them.. What they left out of the movie, conveniently, was unknown to Croc, the Doofus Bros had sold the franchise rights for all of Chicago and Cook Co to an ice cream company. This so infuriated Croc, that he had to buy it back for 5 times what they paid, that he said screw the Doofus Bros and he did what he wanted. And they also left out that the Bros were thrilled to get $1.35 mil each at the time. It was much later, when McD's became worth hundreds of millions and billions that they claimed they had a handshake deal for 1%. No lawyer or anybody even as dumb as the Doofus boys would have fallen for that. Croc always adamantly denied it ever happened. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 6th, 2017 at 4:07:59 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18203 |
Actually they were pretty good businessmen when it was on their small scale. What happened was they were used to living in what was then a cow town. While they moved a few times in life, they had not traveled extensively as Kroc had done. The early parts of the movie show this a bit, Kroc waiting forever at carhop places. The brothers saw it too, why they changed the concept. But they did not appreciate how nationwide the idea could go.
I forgot all about the sale of the Chicago market! The brother's attitude towards Kroc was "tough, build somewhere else" not understanding that Kroc already had all his business and ties in Chicago. They were not the victims the movie makes them out to be. In the book, Kroc said that he could have stolen the idea for sure. In fact, many people stole it. In the 1950s, the San Bernadino store was filled with out of state cars of people seeing the system. The brothers gave many tours like they gave Kroc. But Kroc knew that a tour was not enough to learn the whole system. He was right. What most of the copycats missed was that the key was the small menu. Most of them thought a bigger menu was better. It would be a decade before it was. As they started, the bigger menu places failed due to too slow service. The President is a fink. |
August 6th, 2017 at 4:19:40 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18203 |
That is because when we were kids McDonald's built an entire advertising campaign around kids. Think back to Saturday morning cartoons. How many McDonald's ads did you see? They were all kids ads, probably an entirely different creative advertising team, if not a different agency. Kids did not get told, "You Deserve a Break Today!" Kids saw the Hamburgler and all his friends hanging with Ronald. It was McDonaldland, a parallel universe you could get your parents to take you to. The local stores did their part with having kid's birthday parties. I don't have kids so am a touch out of the loop, but have not heard of a kid having a birthday there in years decades a quarter century!
Times change. There are twice as many stores now as then, it is not as special a thing. The food back then was ahead of so many places, now it is not. You stop at McDonald's because either it is there or you have to because they have the only concession on the highway, etc. I like their breakfast sausage sandwiches and will actually stop for that from time to time. Otherwise I only stop because it is inexpensive, clean, and fast. My favorite McDonald's commercial. They don't make em like this anymore. Note the Multimixer in the background, this was years after they went to boxed shake mix. The President is a fink. |
August 6th, 2017 at 10:44:48 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
That's what I'm saying, it was typical Hwood movie where the big evil corporation crushes the sweet innocent 'little guy'. The Bros were neither sweet or innocent. They were just as greedy as any other businessmen. They were thrilled to get a couple million from Croc and it wasn't till later that they started to howl that they got a raw deal. I've never had any sympathy for them. Croc did a lot of charity work, he gave many people their first jobs as teens, he brought the concept of family value dining back to America. It's a purely Americana story. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 6th, 2017 at 12:47:05 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18752 | Seems like there could be a slant if the movie is based mostly on Kroc's book. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |