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August 23rd, 2018 at 2:16:34 PM permalink | |
fleaswatter Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 3 Posts: 1087 | I know that we have a lot of smart people here who are always ready provide facts and their opinions. There has been a lot of hype about Cohen’s guilty plea and that some of what he did was done to “influence an election”. Could someone cite the section of the US Code, which shows that “influence an election” is a crime. If it is, could you also provide what are the penalties if convicted of this crime? Let's go Brandon |
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:21:34 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Wow, you didn't know this? It's a fact, look it up. FISA Applications Confirm: The FBI Relied on the Unverified Steele Dossier A salacious Clinton-campaign product was the driving force behind the Trump–Russia investigation. Based on the dossier, the FBI told the FISA court it believed that Carter Page, who had been identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser, was coordinating with the Russian government in an espionage conspiracy to influence the 2016 election. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/carter-page-fisa-applications-fbi-steele-dossier/ If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:41:11 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11786 |
Do your own research I am not a lawyer Write an email to Cohen's lawyer and let us know what he says Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
August 23rd, 2018 at 3:22:39 PM permalink | |
fleaswatter Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 3 Posts: 1087 |
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Just the type of "non-response" I expected from you. Hook, line and sinker Let's go Brandon |
August 23rd, 2018 at 3:36:40 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
That's what Dershowitz and others are asking, they want to see the statute in the law where this violation occurred. They can't provide the statute because it doesn't exist. So instead, they demean the people asking the question. This is what happens when someone is tried in the media instead of a courtroom. The first thing a judge would ask for is the law that was violated. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 23rd, 2018 at 4:41:32 PM permalink | |
reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 |
It's not illegal to influence an election. It's illegal to exceed limits on a campaign contribution, and it's illegal to create a fictitious Delaware shell company (Essential Consultants LLC) to conceal an illegal contribution that exceeds FEC limits. The reason it's such a big deal that Cohen's guilty plea included the phrase "influence an election" is because it provides a motive for the payment. Back in May, Rudy said the motive was personal, cause Donald just wanted to protect his marriage to Melania.
The problem with Rudy's argument is that the wire transfer occurred on October 27, the NDA was signed on October 28, and the election was on November 9. Once Trump gets indicted (after his 2nd term ends in 2024, of course) Rudy will have to convince a jury that it was just a coincidence that the election was on November 9, Rudy will have to convince a jury that Michael Cohen was lying when he said the motive was to "influence an election," Rudy will have to convince a jury that Cohen's lengthy paper trail of forged documents doesn't exist, Rudy will have to convince a jury that Cohen's September 2016 audio recording of Trump discussing hush money is a fake audio recording, Rudy will have to convince a jury that David Pecker's testimony is false, Rudy will have to convince a jury that Stormy's allegations are false, Rudy will have to convince a jury that Karen McDougal's allegations are false, because remember: Cohen did all of this behind Trump's back without Trump's knowledge cause Trump never slept with Stormy or McDougal which is why he paid them. The trial will be slam dunk easy win for the defense. |
August 23rd, 2018 at 6:08:36 PM permalink | |
ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 12419 |
Oh wow, your National Review article changed my mind! /sarcasm I’ll supply an NBC News article that you can discount, even though the facts are on my side. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/why-team-trump-wrong-about-carter-page-dossier-secret-warrant-n893666 “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
August 23rd, 2018 at 8:43:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
So the proof that the dossier was a tiny part of the FISA warrant is super 'secret evidence' that can't be revealed that Page was deeply connected to Russia. Really? I mean, really???? Page and Papandopolous are still walking the streets, why aren't they in prison? Page is laughable, he's a dope, he knows nothing and never knew anything. He hasn't been indicted and never will be. Page has consistently denied working as an agent of the Russians and has not been charged with any crime after almost two years of investigation. In an interview with CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday, he reiterated his denials and described the FBI’s application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance (Fisa) court as “so ridiculous it’s beyond words”. He accused law enforcement of misleading the court. “I’ve never been an agent of a foreign power by any stretch of the imagination,” he said. But but, they have all this super secret info that he's a Russian agent. Sure they do. lol If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 23rd, 2018 at 8:52:48 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-22/small-business-ownership-among-black-americans-jumps-400-one-year Good to see minority business ownership is growing skyrocketing. Didn't see this headline on cnn or msnbc? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
August 23rd, 2018 at 9:11:59 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Nor will you. The media is ignoring all this, just like they ignored 10's of thousands showing up at Trump rallies. Doens't fit their talking points memo. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |