The Trump implosion thread!

Quote: petroglyph

I hear you, but the news was hot and heavy for awhile, it seems to have slowed way down? Maybe cuz the talking heads have something else [Broward county?] or IDK.Headline junkies, got to have headlines.

Mueller's top priority, investigate those that have broken the law and seek justice.
The best way to do this is to not have leaks
There is no way Mueller will leak to create headlines and I appreciate that
That's for politicians like Nunes to leak to try to create headlines
Mueller is not a politician. He cares about convictions and guilty pleas, not the press

Quote: petroglyph

I hear you, but the news was hot and heavy for awhile, it seems to have slowed way down? Maybe cuz the talking heads have something else [Broward county?] or IDK.Headline junkies, got to have headlines.

Well, last Friday Rick Gates pleaded guilty to something and signed a plea deal to cooperate.

Quote:

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies so far — with most of those being announced just in the past two weeks.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

Quote: Dalex64

Quote: petroglyph

I hear you, but the news was hot and heavy for awhile, it seems to have slowed way down? Maybe cuz the talking heads have something else [Broward county?] or IDK.Headline junkies, got to have headlines.

Well, last Friday Rick Gates pleaded guilty to something and signed a plea deal to cooperate.



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

First, I'm not a real Trump supporter, but nor am I a detractor.

From the link: "None of the charges against Americans or Trump advisers so far have directly alleged that they worked with Russia to interfere with the campaign."

Maybe charges are forthcoming? 13 Russian trolls is nothing. So far anything I have seen about trying to influence the election is much much much less than what we have done in most foreign elections. I do believe, turn about is fair play. I posted a pic the other day of CNN news crew rummaging through the dumpster outside the troll farm, In Russia, during business hours. There is no there, there afaik?

The US admits to attempting regime change all over the world, some bots or trolls on social media is, meh?

"So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election."

"Van der Zwaan was a lawyer for the London office of the New York law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom. The son-in-law of a Russian oligarch, he worked with Manafort and Gates on behalf of Ukraine’s government in 2012, to write a report defending the government’s prosecution of a former prime minister." It looks to me that it is typical business people doing business, in 2012 not a conspiracy to take over America or some seditious act? I'm not seeing what the big deal really is, other than a witch hunt between 2 political parties? Somebody lied, there's a surprise.

I don't expect the Mueller probe to be complete until sometime in 2019. I don't expect any charges or indictments against Trump, if any, before then. But ti's quite likely between now and November there will be charges or indictments against people close to Trump.

I've given up on his base as a lost cause. But what would swing more mainstream Republicans to reject Trump?

Suppose his son in law, who still has no security clearance BTW, who has been set to work on matters he can't handle, were charged with a serious crime like money laundering or fraud. Or if Donald Jr. were charged with conspiring with foreign nationals to obtain dirt on Clinton. Stuff like that.

Heritage Foundation: 64% of Trump's Agenda Already Done, Faster Than Reagan

With unprecedented speed, the Trump administration has already implemented nearly two-thirds of the 334 agenda items called for by the Heritage Foundation, a pace faster than former President Reagan who embraced the conservative think tank’s legendary “Mandate for Leadership” blueprint. Thomas Binion, director of congressional and executive branch relations at Heritage, said that Trump has implemented 64 percent of the “unique policy recommendations” from the group. “We’re blown away,” Binion said in an interview. Trump, he said, “is very active, very conservative, and very effective.”

Quote: petroglyph

Quote: Dalex64

Quote: petroglyph

I hear you, but the news was hot and heavy for awhile, it seems to have slowed way down? Maybe cuz the talking heads have something else [Broward county?] or IDK.Headline junkies, got to have headlines.

Well, last Friday Rick Gates pleaded guilty to something and signed a plea deal to cooperate.



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

First, I'm not a real Trump supporter, but nor am I a detractor.

From the link: "None of the charges against Americans or Trump advisers so far have directly alleged that they worked with Russia to interfere with the campaign."

Maybe charges are forthcoming? 13 Russian trolls is nothing. So far anything I have seen about trying to influence the election is much much much less than what we have done in most foreign elections. I do believe, turn about is fair play. I posted a pic the other day of CNN news crew rummaging through the dumpster outside the troll farm, In Russia, during business hours. There is no there, there afaik?

The US admits to attempting regime change all over the world, some bots or trolls on social media is, meh?

"So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election."

"Van der Zwaan was a lawyer for the London office of the New York law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom. The son-in-law of a Russian oligarch, he worked with Manafort and Gates on behalf of Ukraine’s government in 2012, to write a report defending the government’s prosecution of a former prime minister." It looks to me that it is typical business people doing business, in 2012 not a conspiracy to take over America or some seditious act? I'm not seeing what the big deal really is, other than a witch hunt between 2 political parties? Somebody lied, there's a surprise.

I was just responding to your assertion that things seem to have slowed way down.

I'll quote the quote again

Quote:

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies so far — with most of those being announced just in the past two weeks.

there is still stuff happening, and happening recently.

I have no comment about how significant the content of any of that that is, but getting a new plea deal just last Friday doesn't seem to be slowed way down.

Quote: Dalex64

I was just responding to your assertion that things seem to have slowed way down.

Clearly wishful thinking on his part.

Mueller decides when we find out about what is going on in his investigation, no one else does.

I think Mueller is smart enough not to reveal how closely he has been looking Donald or what he has found if anything , because it will set Trump off like a powder keg of denial -- and then attacks.

Trump and his enablers don't have anything specifically to attack right now, and fighting blindfolded is pretty ineffective.

Quote: rxwine

I think Mueller is smart enough not to reveal how closely he has been looking Donald or what he has found if anything ,

Funny, when Mueller was finding things
about Flynn and Manafort, he was leaking
like a old rowboat. Leaks every day. But
since all the stuff on Trump has dried up,
the leaks magically stopped. Mueller
has been the leakiest SP since there were
special prosecutors.

This whole problem could be solved by firing one person:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/27/17059788/jared-kushner-security-clearance-trump-kelly

So who gets fired, Kushner or Kelly?