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Future: DC yes, AC no?
| June 26th, 2016 at 12:33:55 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | That is where I learned of the allowable tolerance. I was working in Alaska when I questioned engineering about the large swing in voltages between houses. My question arose do to the utility having us capture two legs from a 3 phase 120/208 transformer for a house service, never intending to give the customer 240. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| June 26th, 2016 at 9:24:03 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
That's about $90 a month. Normally across the board there is a 39% correction factor for PPP comparison between Mexico and the USA. So what costs $90 in Mexico is $125 in the USA for the average price of goods and service. Obviously applying one percentage adjustment is fairly ridiculous as not everything adjust evenly, but it is a fiction that economists seem to live with. The traditional 39% would obviously have to be adjusted since the dollar has grown so strong in recent years. Also, these rates are average per month, where the average American residence uses 911 kWh per month (much higher than the average Mexican residence). South Carolina and Alabama are good examples of states that use electricity for both air conditioning and for heating. The rates in South Carolina is 12.77 cents per kWh and in Alabama 12.42 cents per kWh. Both are pretty close to the national average of 12.43 cents per kWh. But because of the double use of electricity, the bills are high. Connecticut (21.15 cents per kWh) and Hawaii (26.93 cents per kWh) just have very high rates. Utah and New Mexico have very low rates combined with very low usage. Average monthly bills residential electricity $187.59 Hawaii $147.74 South Carolina $145.25 Alabama $144.10 Connecticut $141.22 Mississippi $139.68 Maryland $137.39 Texas $134.14 Georgia $132.76 Tennessee $130.04 Virginia $129.86 Florida $126.26 Delaware $126.09 North Carolina $123.61 Louisiana $120.51 Arizona $119.66 Kentucky $118.63 New York $116.47 Missouri $115.79 Alaska $115.64 Nevada $115.56 Indiana $114.17 Oklahoma $114.09 U.S. Total $113.72 Pennsylvania $113.39 North Dakota $112.95 Kansas $112.62 Ohio $109.45 South Dakota $108.63 Arkansas $108.57 New Hampshire $108.14 West Virginia $106.94 Massachusetts $106.33 Nebraska $105.65 New Jersey $100.09 Rhode Island $99.49 Iowa $99.34 Vermont $97.29 Oregon $97.26 Minnesota $95.50 Idaho $94.88 Wisconsin $94.52 Michigan $91.90 District of Columbia $91.26 California $90.60 Wyoming $88.78 Illinois $87.14 Washington $86.93 Montana $83.91 Maine $83.73 Colorado $79.49 Utah $77.79 New Mexico If the DC transmission people have their way, electricity will be more uniformly priced around the country. Obviously they say it will be uniformly priced lower, but that remains to be seen once the infrastructure is built. |
| June 26th, 2016 at 9:39:18 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Just a word of warning about 'average' electrical bills.. in Florida they have a program that smooths out the electrical bill to approximately the same each month so that in the extreme months of June, July and August you avoid any whoppingly high bill. Obviously, at some time they settle up on the 'synthetic bill' versus 'actual use' bill. |
| June 26th, 2016 at 10:59:26 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
MI is near the bottom because it's been 7.5 cents per KWH for as long as I can remember. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 27th, 2016 at 7:21:36 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
That is very low!. In Pennsylvania we are paying 7.45 cents per KWH for generation only, but includingdistribution it is roughly 12 cents per hour. We can shop generation companies, and if you want to pay more for wind or solar generation you have that right. Frankly that makes more sense to me than buying an electric vehicle. Last summer we talked about states that use coal to generate electricity. The use of coal tends to keep prices down.
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| June 27th, 2016 at 12:24:34 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Montana used to have even lower utility rates and it was a valuable stock to own, then the "sharks" sold the assets of the company to a Pennsylvania utility and kept the shareholders and state regulators in the dark sticking it to the Widows and Orphans but giving great commissions to Investment Bankers. |
| June 27th, 2016 at 1:02:10 PM permalink | |
| DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4960 | The local Nevada Energy company that we pay our electric bill to is owned by Berkshire Hathaway. Should I be upset that I send my monthly payment to Warren Buffet or should I be happy because his money will be going to charities after his death? At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
| June 27th, 2016 at 1:16:01 PM permalink | |
| Face Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 61 Posts: 3941 |
Holy all of the expletives. You guys got industrial smelters at your houses? All the talk made me actually look at my bills. This month has been my highest at 314kwh. I haven't had a bill reach $40 since... well, ever. Not even with the compressor and welder going all the time back in the spring, or the aquarium pumps on eternally. My refusal to use a/c or lights, and the lack of TV... that can't account for it all, can it? O.o Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it. |
| June 27th, 2016 at 1:50:51 PM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4492 | Up in the frozen North here I average about 600 KWH / month. I have A/C in summer and 16 hours of darkness in the dead of winter so my usuage is the lowest in the spring and fall. Gas furnace which cost $55.00 month for the gas on a balanced payment plan. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| June 27th, 2016 at 1:58:34 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | I have no idea about the dollars involved in those habits but we sure admire you for your lifestyle. |