Trump vs Hillary 2016

Quote: AZDuffman

She or he (not sure if we have been told yet) seems to be trying do describe what is called "Comparative Advantage" in a roundabout way. For example, Mexico can grow tomatoes better than we can in the USA. The USA can grow apples better than Mexico. So if there were totally free trade then both sides do better because there will be more products in total for everyone to have at a lower price.

It is an unusual position for someone who calls themselves a liberal to take to defend free trade since almost forever liberals have favored trade restrictions of all kinds and been against freer trade. Unions and environmentalists have generally been against, as have liberals who just do not like that there are jobs provided to people in poorer countries at wages lower than the USA.

I have to wonder why the sudden rush off the liberal reservation?

Well, Duffy, a major aspect of your flawed thinking is that you believe you can classify a huge group of people as if they were a single entity and all shared the same viewpoints and political attitudes. That's both simplistic and stupid. It may be the only kind of thinking you're capable of, but it isn't correct. Whatever you think the "liberal platform" is, there are very few people who follow it precisely. I happen to support free trade because the evidence shows that it adds to prosperity and well-being. That has very little to do with my political beliefs. I support free trade in the modern economy the same way I support putting gasoline in my car rather than, say, ketchup.

To answer the previous poster's concern, it's a meaningless question until you define what a level playing field is. You should understand, though, that the wider the scope of the market and the more choices the buyer and seller have, the fairer the market will be. If someone tries to restrict the flow of goods, there will always be alternatives for consumers, and the only effect will be that the person or entity trying to do so will lose money. That's why the Trump/Republican position opposing trade is so asinine--and BTW, Duffy, if restricting trade is a liberal position, why do you think Republicans are embracing it?

Republicans would like to pretend that we can retreat inside some kind of trade bubble and prosper by doing so. Of course, that's largely posturing to pander to Joe Sixpack, who understands as much about world trade as he does quantum physics. As just one of thousands of possible examples of what might happen if we choked off trade, what do you think American cars would be like now in terms of quality and reliability if we had raised trade barriers and forbidden the importation of Japanese cars in the 1980s and 1990s?

Quote: stinkingliberal

Well, Duffy, a major aspect of your flawed thinking is that you believe you can classify a huge group of people as if they were a single entity and all shared the same viewpoints and political attitudes.

Well, liberals usually have opposed free trade. Liberals usually have the same viewpoints. If Trump was for more open trade my guess is as a liberal you would be yelling "FAIR TRADE NOT FREE TRADE" from the hilltops.

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As just one of thousands of possible examples of what might happen if we choked off trade, what do you think American cars would be like now in terms of quality and reliability if we had raised trade barriers and forbidden the importation of Japanese cars in the 1980s and 1990s?

Well, it is a good idea we did not raise trade barriers to cars like liberals wanted to do at the time I guess.

Quote: AZDuffman

Well, liberals usually have opposed free trade. Liberals usually have the same viewpoints. If Trump was for more open trade my guess is as a liberal you would be yelling "FAIR TRADE NOT FREE TRADE" from the hilltops.

And your guess, as most of your guesses are, would be wrong. I tried to tell you in easy-to-understand (or so I thought, anyway) language that my position on trade is independent of my political views. You really need to abandon this simplistic thinking that all liberals are alike and they all think the same way. If you suggested that concept to an actual room full of liberals, everybody would bust a gut laughing at you. I doubt that you even comprehend what "as a liberal" actually means.

And make no mistake--what that Trump asswipe says or does has no effect whatsoever on my political views. I know you follow him like a bird hypnotized by a snake. But I'm not as impressed by him as you are. I oppose him not because of his political views--which, after all, change more quickly and often than the weather--but because he's a horrible person and incompetent to hold office. I would feel the exact same way about him if he called himself a Democrat and/or a liberal. A jerk is a jerk.

Viewing any large group as if it was completely homogenous is a mistake. Hell, I acknowledge that not all conservatives are stupid, bigoted, evil assholes. Some of them are just ignorant, and some of them are probably decent people once you rip the Bible out of their hands. I even saw a Republican give a quarter to a homeless guy once. He did demand a receipt, though.

Quote: stinkingliberal

And make no mistake--what that Trump asswipe says or does has no effect whatsoever on my political views. I know you follow him like a bird hypnotized by a snake. But I'm not as impressed by him as you are.

Well, I am not starting thread after thread about him over and over. To do that would be what I would call hypnotized.

Quote: AZDuffman

Well, I am not starting thread after thread about him over and over. To do that would be what I would call hypnotized.

Hmmm...if that was meant to be a criticism of me...I started one thread about him. I guess in Duffy World, that equates to "thread after thread" "over and over."

Regardless, your slavish loyalty to that awful man is evident, in the way you parrot everything he says and embrace each and every one of his views. Heck, you might even BE Trump, for all the similarities. We know how he likes to rant on social media.

What? Hillary lambasted Trump for weeks when
he said he might not accept the election results.
He was a traitor, he was un-democratic. She was
'horrified', 'appalled', Trump was a 'threat to
democracy'. But look, look who wants a recount
in a state where Trump won by 22,000 votes!
The evil queen!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/26/clinton-campaign-will-participate-in-wisconsin-recount-with-an-eye-on-outside-interference-lawyer-says/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pn-recount-1234pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8becda7bc94f

She's such a sad hypocrite, so crooked, so full of it.
A mid term recount was done in WI a few years ago
and they found a 300 vote difference. The problem
with recounts is you find just as many lost votes for
each candidate. A recount only has a chance of
changing an election if a tiny percentage of votes
separate winner from loser. 22,000 is a massive number
to overcome.

Quote: Evenbob

What? Hillary lambasted Trump for weeks when
he said he might not accept the election results.

Silly, silly Bob. He's played you.

What is prompting the recount is not that the result was close per se but that the results from all-electronic voting were considerably different from paper-based balloting. And we all--even you, Bob--know that the Republicans were trying to influence the election through illegal voter restriction and computer hacking. We probably won't catch them this time. But given their dishonesty, we really should check the results anyway. The possibility of outside interference is substantial, ESPECIALLY SINCE TRUMP ENCOURAGED IT.

Or have you conveniently forgotten about that, Bob? I guess...he's played you.

Trump Has Chairman of Top Nordic Bank Predicting Better Times

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-27/trump-has-chairman-of-top-nordic-bank-predicting-better-times

Not possible, we were told by the
Left and the media (same entity)
that a Trump win would send us
into an irreversible economic
tailspin that we would never
recover from. Yet the market set
another record high the day after
Thanksgiving. So confusing.

Seeing as how the GOP likes Christianity and the Bible: Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

'President-elect Donald Trump will nominate former Labor Secretary Elaine Chao to head the Transportation Department'

Who is Trump kidding, an Asian American
woman? He's only doing this to show he's
not a bigoted misogynist. Obviously.