Two Gods or One
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June 1st, 2016 at 9:57:00 AM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | I have heard this from random xtians as well. They speak of such ungodly sin that would surely turn the earth into a firey mass if they hadn't found the lord. Occasionally I make the mistake of finding out what their terrible, horrible offense against god and nature is, and often it is something like "I thought about sex with a woman", or had two beers and started on a third. My internal response is like "your kidding right, right" ? They must be trying to make me feel like a sinner. What a hypocritical mass of meat. I think to self, "that is your greatest sin"? Lucky you got off the sin train when you did before the universe collapsed in on itself. Spend a few days in Petro's mind, you will never, ever, get out of confession. If that is their thing, feeling bad about what evolution devised to keep the species alive. FWIW, I don't feel guilty about eating cows either. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
June 1st, 2016 at 11:32:29 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
They're afraid if they give in to one sin, they will just go crazy and lose it and become Charles Manson. Silliness. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
June 1st, 2016 at 12:29:46 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
It gets worse, or at least it can. You may find out the commit actual immoral acts which they regard as either neutral or good. Like campaigning to deny equal rights to some people. That's nowadays. In the past it was much worse. A pious Christian, let's say Stonewall Jackson, saw nothing wrong in owning slaves. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
June 1st, 2016 at 12:36:15 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
There is a big difference between saying that someone is wrong about certain aspects of their religion and in saying that someone is wrong about the fundamental truth that there is a God.
Atheists most definitely are NOT sane and not unemotional observers. They are the cause of the many lawsuits to remove nativity scenes, 10 commandments, crosses on the side of the road, and menorahs. They don’t observe they prosecute. Thank God they don’t have the power to kill religious people like they have had in the past and in the very recent memory of the 20th century. The common philosophical and religious beliefs of the 20th century’s worst human beings have all been atheists who hated the Church and actively persecuted it.
Religious belief and the mechanics of flying a plane are very different. You do see and I am sure you have a relative whose life has been changed for the better by faith in God. You can look at the data and you can see the difference faith and religion makes in people’s lives and you still say there is no evidence. I say you are blind. The unseen power of the air can cause planes to fly. The unseen power of the Spirit can cause human beings to soar and become the best versions of themselves.
Please name just one time I have been wrong about something we have discussed about religion. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2016 at 12:36:56 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What do atheists stand for? I said very clearly that they belief that every religious person in the world is wrong about the existence of God. If you are uncomfortable with that perhaps you should reexamine your atheism. I know I would feel uncomfortable saying that the vast majority of the world and human beings throughout history have been wrong.
You do not need a divine power to be a moral being. I think I have been clear about this position many times. However, you do need a divine power to establish a concept of what is morally good or bad. Subjective morality is only based on what one person or culture thinks may be correct and if this was true then we would be forced to say cannibalism or genocide or rape was okay if that person or community decreed it to be so. However, we know that this is not possible. There are universal objective moral truths and for these to hold to every culture they have to grounded in something universal that rises above our own authority as individuals and communities to determine for ourselves what is right or wrong. We need to have something that is immune to our emotional desire for power, wealth, lust, and fame to provide our moral guidelines. This is God.
This is correct and that is why the prime mover argument, which provides us clear evidence that there is a God needs more thought to complete the picture. A discussion about morality will help us to see that this prime mover is not just some impersonal force but has rather implanted in all of us a moral compass pointing to goodness and truth. A compass that we have the freedom to not follow and a compass that we can lead others to ignore, but nevertheless a help to living a moral life. That is why many good atheists live extraordinarily happy and moral lives, oblivious to the obvious existence of God who guides them and determines objectively the good and right things to do. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2016 at 12:37:19 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
The problem arises when you say, “as real as anything else”. God is more real than anything else, He is the reason for everything else’s existence and the reason it stays in existence. You also seem to think that the only things that are real are the things you can touch or observe with your senses. Such a limited view of reality ignores our highest ability to think abstractly, create, dream, and debate philosophical positions about the meaning of life, love, death, and God. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2016 at 12:49:36 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
No argument, no matter how clever, can trump even the flimsiest evidence, or in this case the complete and total lack of any evidence. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
June 1st, 2016 at 1:04:46 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Exactly why Atheism is to be rejected! “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2016 at 1:09:54 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Why do you insist in taking a very general lack of belief in a made up being as being a cogent, cohesive, consistent, led group of people? Further, what would it take for you to admit the character of a person is not determined by whether or not they offer ritual human sacrifices to the one true god Huixilopoxtli. I mean, given the general tenor of your ideology as displayed here, you'd consider the Aztec religion as being "more true" than atheism, human sacrifices or not. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
June 1st, 2016 at 1:22:01 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
That is an excellent question and represents in some ways a dilemma for me. In the case between Atheism and the Aztec religion two different fundamental truths are being ignored. In Atheism the existence of God is denied and while this leads to all kinds of dangers and falsities these do not necessarily follow. In the Aztec religion some type of God is recognized but the fundamental and universal moral truth of not killing innocents is denied. This obviously leads to true and real danger and must be rejected. I will always side with the argument that is morally sound and good. Even though there is no foundation to the correct morality good atheists very often live, it is inherent in the human person to gravitate to what is good. I would rather be an atheist than follow the Aztec religion. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |