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Airbus 350 very slow delivery rate
| May 9th, 2016 at 12:31:10 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Yes the front is 7 rows of 2-3-2 or 49 seats Premium Economy The back is 273 seats Economy (mostly 2-4-2). Most of them are 17.5 to 7.5 years old, but they have one new one that is only 2.5 years old. |
| May 9th, 2016 at 5:31:03 PM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4515 | A flight with a 380 just started up from Heathrow to YVR. Probably BA but I am not sure. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| May 9th, 2016 at 7:53:29 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
It would have to be. There are four airlines flying from Vancouver to London. Two off price Canadian airlines are flying to Gatwick, Westjet has 4 Boeing 767-300ERs and Air Transat has 14 Airbus A330s. British Airways and Air Canada are competing to fly to Heathrow. British Airways has found the A380 competitive if it is flying once a day to a city. The extra seats and the cachet help them compete. BA will probably never fly an A380 from LHR to JFK as businessmen are very interested in having multiple fights per day for flexibility. Construction numbers #200-#222 are destined to go to Emirates with the exception of #215 which is designated for the 12th and final British Airways Delivery. So I expect it to be delivered this summer. BA seem happy with them, but not enough to buy another new one.Although no A380 has ever been sold on the secondary used market, BA has indicated that they would be interested. European use of the A380 14 LUFTHANSA has taken delivery of all 14 10 AIR FRANCE has taken delivery of 10, but is deferring it's last 2 possibly forever 11 BRITISH AIRWAYS will receive it's 12th and final one this summer VIRGIN ATLANTIC ordered 6 in the year 2000, but has delayed delivery multiple times AMEDEO is a charter company, and has ordered 20 planes subject to finding a client. This is one of those orders that seems ridiculous, but it indicates a sale on Airbus order book |
| June 21st, 2016 at 6:20:50 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Five more in May, but none so far in June. 029 Airbus A350-941 B-LRA Cathay Pacific 27. May 2016 Active F-WZFX lsf AerCap It looks like Boeing still has the crown for widebodies for their centennial.  |
| June 21st, 2016 at 4:18:00 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | It's almost as if major clean-slate designs are cursed (cue spooky music). First the B-787 had battery fires. Now the A350 is having production problems. Lucky for Airbus, but not so Boeing, customers can't just take their business elsewhere (they can, but not "just"). I mean, what's the wait time on a 787-9/10 or a 777 if an order is placed today? Years? You can buy used wide bodies, but only so many. And these won't have either the range, capacity and/or fuel economy of the A350. Likewise fro keeping on older models. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| June 21st, 2016 at 8:39:27 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
The Boeing 787 Dreamliner had 99 orders in 2015 and 28 cancellations. A total of 135 were delivered and 779 orders are unfulfilled. That would suggest that the wait time is almost 6 years. I wonder if this one is fancier than the President of Mexico's Dreamliner. |
| June 22nd, 2016 at 6:28:45 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
There you are. An airline expecting a bunch of A350s in 2017, which it might get by 2018, can't just walk out of Toulouse and place and order in Seattle. I wonder, though, whether some of the bigger airlines expecting a lot of A350s might bid other airlines for their few operational A350s, or just to let them cut in line in the order queue, or snap up older wide bodies as soon as they can.
Probably much. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| June 22nd, 2016 at 8:29:17 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
My understanding is that there is a standard clause in plane orders where the airline is compensated for each day late in the delivery. Emirates has picked up some deliveries on the A380 (like when Transaero went bankrupt, or when the Irish leasing agency couldn't find anyone to lease an A380).
The old crystal ball was a little cloudy 12 years ago. |
| June 22nd, 2016 at 8:48:40 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
That's nice. But it can't take the place of growth. For compensating higher maintenance and fuel costs, though, it might help or even turn a profit in some cases (depends on how low oil gets and how much Airbus pays). Also, I suppose Airbus can negotiate a discount in exchange for a payment.
I'm sure there's a joke here with planes as phallic symbols :)
"It's hard to make predictions. Especially about the future." I think this is attributed to Ray Bradbury. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| June 22nd, 2016 at 9:23:59 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Quote Investigator has a lengthy article on that one. http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/10/20/no-predict/ Airbus never believed that they would make A380s at over 11 per month (like Boeing Dreamliner), but they did think they could produce one per week instead of 2 per month. The International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced global passenger traffic results for 2015 showing demand (revenue passenger kilometers or RPKs) rose 6.5% for the full year compared to 2014. This was the strongest result since the post-Global Financial Crisis rebound in 2010 and well above the 10-year average annual growth rate of 5.5%. |