Should Women be punished for abortion

Quote: Evenbob

Legal abortion is what you get in a selfish
society. It's one choice too many. It's usually
an unmarried woman who decides to have
sex outside of marriage. Then she decides
to have unprotected sex. The she decides to
have it more than once, the vast majority of
women do not get pregnant on just a few
sexual encounters. And finally, she decides
whether to have an abortion or not.

Too many choices.

I agree, we allow women to have too many choices. For their own good we should eliminate those choices and have them obey the men at all times.

Quote: DRich

For their own good we should eliminate those choices and have them obey the men at all times.

No, people have to learn to act responsibly
if they don't want problems. I never got a
woman pregnant out of wedlock because
I was super aware I didn't want that. So I
was proactive and took precautions. I also
don't want a DUI, so I make a point of never
driving when I drink. Duh..

Quote: rxwine

I guess that last thing was an example of something that can both be claimed as a harm in one case, and a benefit it the other, yet the action was the same.

I don't get it at all. Is the mailbox alive? In both your cases if the mailbox box was alive it would be killed. No matter what the circumstances the poor innocent mailbox is a victim.

Quote: FrGamble

I don't get it at all. Is the mailbox alive? In both your cases if the mailbox box was alive it would be killed. No matter what the circumstances the poor innocent mailbox is a victim.

Well, it really only addresses some of the statements of why the same action can be treated differently.

If I'm on my way to a dentist to get a bad tooth extracted and a thug punches me and the tooth falls out, is it an assault or a cheap tooth extraction? Or both. (Or just something to amuse me). Could be all three.

Quote: FrGamble

I don't get it at all. Is the mailbox alive? In both your cases if the mailbox box was alive it would be killed. No matter what the circumstances the poor innocent mailbox is a victim.

This is why you get accused of double speak or being "slippery".

The whole thing is about logical inconsistencies. That is the point they're trying to make, whether it be by mailbox or actual baby/fetii (?). RX manned up. He would save the baby. I, too, would save the baby. Maybe it's just psychological, because the baby will scream and feel pain. Maybe it's more logical, because the baby "is" whereas the fetii (?) are just "potential". But we can answer. You don't really answer. Not then, not now. Instead you argue the question, because to answer would solidify an inconsistency.

It's quite maddening, the way the church operates. The curtain's been tossed, the gig is up. But they just can't stop the smoke and doomspeak.

Quote: rxwine

Here's a thought experiment.

I bought a brand new mail box for out front by the road. Tomorrow, I'm going to dig up the cement base and pole of the old one and put the new one in.

However, my neighbor veered off the road this evening and took out my old mail box in the process and even unearthed the base. My job is already half done.

So, in one case, if I had not been planning on replacing it, he would have caused harm. However, since I was replacing it he did not cause harm, in fact he helped me do half the job.

So, anyway, the mailbox is the same object -- but the circumstances can change whether an action is permissible or one can seek damages. It's not so clear cut that the same actions affect a party the same way.

I think it is evidence of Quantum Mechanics whereby the observer creates reality.

That stuff happens to me regularly.

Quote: terapined

Should Woman be punished for abortion?

They are punished. They are punished, not for eliminating a potential human, but daring to think that they have any say so in their own lives. Or that they should have any rights, or decisions that aren't first given them by the ptb. [old white guys]

People don't care about the fetus, [that's not what is in question here] they care about who's in control. The fetus is collateral damage, either way.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/faq/foster-care4 400 thousand kids in foster care, where is the outrage?

http://www.ances.lu/index.php/fice/fice-europa/25-facts-a-numbers-about-orphaned-and-abandoned-children "In 2004 there were over 143 million orphaned and abandoned children, in 93 developing countries, worldwide. This is 8.4 % off all children in the world. (unicef)"

8.4% of the children of the entire world are orphaned, and we are haggling whether or not a woman should be forced to keep and unwanted fetus, which will be a burden on society, that already is collapsing under it's own weight.

Quote: Face

This is why you get accused of double speak or being "slippery".

The whole thing is about logical inconsistencies. That is the point they're trying to make, whether it be by mailbox or actual baby/fetii (?). RX manned up. He would save the baby. I, too, would save the baby. Maybe it's just psychological, because the baby will scream and feel pain. Maybe it's more logical, because the baby "is" whereas the fetii (?) are just "potential". But we can answer. You don't really answer. Not then, not now. Instead you argue the question, because to answer would solidify an inconsistency.

It's quite maddening, the way the church operates. The curtain's been tossed, the gig is up. But they just can't stop the smoke and doomspeak.

I'm sorry if I forgot to explicitly answer the scenario. I would save the one year old baby.

Quote: petroglyph

They are punished. They are punished, not for eliminating a potential human, but daring to think that they have any say so in their own lives. Or that they should have any rights, or decisions that aren't first given them by the ptb. [old white guys]

People don't care about the fetus, [that's not what is in question here] they care about who's in control. The fetus is collateral damage, either way.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/faq/foster-care4 400 thousand kids in foster care, where is the outrage?

http://www.ances.lu/index.php/fice/fice-europa/25-facts-a-numbers-about-orphaned-and-abandoned-children "In 2004 there were over 143 million orphaned and abandoned children, in 93 developing countries, worldwide. This is 8.4 % off all children in the world. (unicef)"

8.4% of the children of the entire world are orphaned, and we are haggling whether or not a woman should be forced to keep and unwanted fetus, which will be a burden on society, that already is collapsing under it's own weight.

Thank you, petro. Exactly.

Quote: petroglyph

8.4% of the children of the entire world are orphaned, and we are haggling whether or not a woman should be forced to keep and unwanted fetus, which will be a burden on society, that already is collapsing under it's own weight.

Good post Petro. I'm glad you reminded us the reality of the plight of so many children today. It is a big problem, but we will NOT be able to kill our way out of it. A return to the healthy sexual morality and healthy families is the only way to make a difference in the numbers you quote and the staggering number of abortions every year. Why we are not as a society doing more I simply do not understand.