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Should Women be punished for abortion
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| March 31st, 2016 at 11:12:43 AM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | If your barn was on fire and you could only save your chicken or the egg, which would you choose? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| March 31st, 2016 at 11:19:44 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Depends on a couple of things. Which came first and how hungry I was? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| March 31st, 2016 at 11:26:05 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 | I only came to this thread so I could make the bigot vote. Discussing this is a waste of time, abortion is here to stay. No president and no congress can ever change it, so my or your opinion on the subject is moot. Look at all the time of not reading this thread I just saved myself. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| March 31st, 2016 at 11:50:39 AM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | The chicken [mother] is alive. The egg [fetus] has the potential maybe to become alive, but it is not yet alive. Demarcation is when the umbilical is cut. Until then the fetus is tissue that is the sole purview of the mother. Whether or not to give birth is a business [monetary] decision. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| March 31st, 2016 at 12:20:30 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22942 |
FrGamble was free to both answer and explain why he didn't like the example, but I see he just avoided answering the actual question while saying he didn't see the point. I could have made the example of a 1 year old baby vs, a dozen 1 year old babies, instead of the 12 embryos, and all else being equal. Most people would say they would go rescue the dozen. That they wouldn't like having to sacrifice the 1 baby to do it is a given, but because everything else is equal there is no reason to prefer the one. Since Catholic Priests in particular like to harp on the value of life at conception, I just figure we will find out whether a dozen embryos are worth more than that single 1 year old baby. FrGamble can put his money where his mouth is, and say rescue the dozen embryos over the baby. I'll wait for him to man up and do it. Will he? "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP. |
| March 31st, 2016 at 12:34:45 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22942 | Shoot, just to make the problem more contentious, let's pretend the embryos are all yours and so is the 1 year old baby who you've nourished for his first year. So, you are the parents of the 1 year and the frozen embryos. Do you believe the 12 are worth more than the 1? Then prove it, I would say by saying which you would let die. "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP. |
| March 31st, 2016 at 2:16:04 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Instead of your sloppy question why can't we just say that the 12 embryos are indeed human beings and worthy of being saved. However because they cannot feel pain and because they most likely will be damaged beyond saving in the midst of the rescue we go for the one year old. What I am trying to point out is your scenario doesn't prove what I think you want it to prove. You seem to think my saving the one year old is saying that I do not think the 12 embryos are human lives or important. That doesn't follow. If I could guarantee you that those 12 embryos would be fine and safely implanted into a mother to make 12 beautiful one year olds then who would you save? I'm wait for you answer. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| March 31st, 2016 at 2:55:00 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22942 | I save the one. No question. You're hung up on something I never claimed. I never claimed all importance is gone from something. What I said is, what you DO is what you actually believe. What your mouth is saying makes no difference to me. Where the rubber meets the road is what counts here. "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP. |
| March 31st, 2016 at 3:01:02 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22942 | I save the one even if all the embyros are mine as well. What would you do? Let your 1 year old die instead? "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP. |
| March 31st, 2016 at 4:01:46 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 241 Posts: 6108 |
I think you're absolutely right. I was going to challenge some pro-choice points, but decided against it, so am glad to see you doing it. My personal opinion is the goal should be to minimize abortions via education and adoption. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |