Beyonce half time show offensive?

Quote: terapined

I look at each case individually
I actually defended the police against Brown. I will not defend any person that attacks an officer as Michael Brown did.
but
I also defended the black mental health worker that was shot for no reason as he tried to retrieve a patient in the road playing with a toy truck
Every case is different

I guess it's a case of me projecting.

I don't join many groups. I find that I and others, as a natural part of life, stereotype and prejudice as a matter of course. It's an evolved part of our safety mechanism. If something small and yellow buzzes your face, you become alert. You don't wait, see, inspect it, you snap assume it's a bee. It's perfectly natural. Only when we apply this mechanism to other humans does it become a "problem". I can see why; I'm not so socially retarded to not see the many moderate to severe problems these snap judgements can cause when applied to people, but I do have what I suppose is much more forgiveness for and tolerance to it because, as I said, I feel it is natural and right.

Because I'm like that, my actions follow suit. For instance, I'm not and never have been a member of the NRA, despite my entire existence being wrapped up in guns and gunnery. There are some things they do which are antithetical to my beliefs, so I do not want do be associated with them. I don't want them representing me. The same could be said for my lack of support / involvement with any church / religion, either side of the red/blue political fight, or, even, any involvement or association with this BLM bs. I may share many of the same beliefs, but they do or have done stuff that I cannot accept.

I guess it's that if I feel I hold such rigorous standards and pass such judgements, everyone does. Projection.

Though, while that makes that pretty much my problem, hopefully it gives insight into why so many others recoil at your mention of it. I don't think I'm the only one who feels and acts in this manner, so that may explain why you face such opposition.

Quote: Face

Though, while that makes that pretty much my problem, hopefully it gives insight into why so many others recoil at your mention of it. I don't think I'm the only one who feels and acts in this manner, so that may explain why you face such opposition.

I know
Too many people , its a black and white world
Reality is that its shades of grey

Face, you might want to read this series: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-introducing-25-part-series-reducing-police-brutality-article-1.2722096

Part of the problem is the American cultural approach to policing.

A police chief overhears a couple of elderly black ladies comment on old photos of La Grange GA police officers
"They killed our people"

The Chief decides to some research
He discovers that a black man was in jail back in 1940
A mob came for him, broke into the jail and lynched him
The police did nothing except make a comment about needing better locks

77 years later police chief apologizes for lynching

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/lagrange-georgia-lynching-apology.html?_r=0

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/article129048544.html

Face, once again you show the wisdom Of Groucho Marx : " PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER. "

Quote: Face

For instance, I'm not and never have been a member of the NRA, despite my entire existence being wrapped up in guns and gunnery. There are some things they do which are antithetical to my beliefs, so I do not want do be associated with them. I don't want them representing me.

Yes! When I got my CPL many years ago, I received a deluge of letters/applications over a few years from the NRA and 2nd Amendment Foundation non-stop to join, but I don't want to be associated with either. I don't want to get on a list which could haunt me in the future. Leave me alone.

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Quote: Face

For instance, I'm not and never have been a member of the NRA, despite my entire existence being wrapped up in guns and gunnery. There are some things they do which are antithetical to my beliefs, so I do not want do be associated with them. I don't want them representing me.

Yes! When I got my CPL many years ago, I received a deluge of letters/applications over a few years from the NRA and 2nd Amendment Foundation non-stop to join, but I don't want to be associated with either. I don't want to get on a list which could haunt me in the future. Leave me alone.

Sure, there's that, too. Here in NY, immediately following Sandy Hook, some POS rag downstate published EVERY SINGLE gun owners' name and address in their paper. For what reason? None other to be a righteous ass#$%^, IMO. We actually have to procure, complete, and submit a form to prohibit our names being published. It's ridiculous. And that's from nothing other than filing a state ordered license form, forget a voluntary entry into a club.

Personally, I soured on the NRA during that time. I understand and I DO appreciate the fight they conduct on my behalf. For sure, you'll never see me act against them. But while I understand and appreciate their effort, I can't support some of the things they've done, like suppressing information as they've done with the CDC. I'm sure the CDC would have discovered something for which they and all of us gunners would have to answer to, but I'd much rather face that difficulty and work on it than sweep s#$% under the rug and pretend nothing's happening.

Blind allegiance to an org that happens to align with a bit of you just seems wrong to me. Hence why I share probably identical racial ideas and beliefs with terapined, but would not mind seeing a handful of those BLM bastards flogged in the streets, if not shot out of hand.

Quote: Nareed

Face, you might want to read this series: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-introducing-25-part-series-reducing-police-brutality-article-1.2722096

Part of the problem is the American cultural approach to policing.

Thanks for that.

I 100% agree with your opine. While I may be "in the pocket" of 5-0 what with a majority of my close friends being on the force, I would nonetheless be the first to state that policing in America is approaching or has already landed on the other side of right. We've gotten way too far from Officer Friendly and way too close to... I suppose authoritative totalitarianism is way too strong a charge, but we're sharing too many traits with it. This plate reader BS collecting data, this ruining of lives over mental illnesses, this state sponsored theft known as asset forfeiture, this is not stuff your local yokel should be engaging in. Police are the cocked fist of .gov, and .gov is suppose to be FOR US. That cocked fist should be directed at those who disrupt or threaten the American way of life. Those who defraud, who assault, who cause discord. It shouldn't be used against those whom could be seen as a possible boon for the machine.

Even the fact that asset forfeiture benefits the very station that seized it is such an egregious violation of base ethics I cannot believe we are having this conversation in modern America circa 2017. It seems like some whimsy we read about in feudal England.

But tying back into OP, while I agree with most of the charges levied against modern 5-0, I will never support what BLM is, does, or how they've conducted themselves. Some of the offerings in that link you gave are 100% unacceptable. The man choked to death in NYC, that dude shot in the back in Carolina (?),... especially that shot in the back, that officer had better be sitting in a jail right this second. Oh, and ESPECIALLY that f#$%wit what shot the mental health worker, the one prone with hands f#$%ing in the air. There is quite literally no excuse in existence that validates that action. If that officer was let off on some horses#$% about "feeling threatened" or "acting per training", then OK, I can totally understand a desire or perhaps even a NEED to riot and f#$% s#$% up. If you can't be protected by 5-0 or the courts, the very institutions created to protect us, then yes, burn them the f#$% down as it seems the final option to get the attention and changes we need.

But that's not what BLM does or did. In my eyes, they get uppity whenever something bad happens to a man of color, even when that man deserved it. As I said, it is EXACTLY, to me, the same sort of double speak as the church saying it loves and accepts everyone with one side of their mouth while driving those with an atypical sexuality into depression and suicide with the other. I don't accept it in the creator of Heaven and Earth, and I sure as s#$% don't expect it in some whackadoo whiners using tragedy as an excuse to create more hate in a MAD policy.

True BLM leaders wanted to burn MN Governor's mansion and Capitol.

Also wanted to burn some other mansions. This was the group leaders, not fringe members.

"According to Turner, organizers believed the public buildings represented “white privilege” and they needed to be burned down."

Infowars?

Seriously?

Quote: ams288

Infowars?

Seriously?

Yes, serious.

Until they get caught using fake documents in a news story about the POTUS or changing 9-1-1 tapes to show racism I don't see the issue. Also the guy made his own video on it.